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>> I guess right now we should start the

show.

Turn this on, yo.

No, we No, listen. Listen. [laughter]

Everybody relax. Everybody simmer down.

Audience, welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

Hey guys.

>> Big Mona in the building. Big Mona is in

the building. Let's pop.

Boy, they fired you. Go to HR and get

yourself back. Oh, see, and that's my

That's my problem.

>> [laughter]

>> And that's my problem with Mona. That's

why she didn't do it. You got to stop.

Joke, guys. I wasn't fired.

Yeah, because you let me take a lot of

heat across socials

when

you missed an episode

or when You know what I mean? They

thought I fired you. Then I didn't

[clears throat] shout you out last week

because I'm not shouting nobody out when

they're going through their private

[ __ ] That's their story to tell, but

Okay.

>> They They They, boy, they tore me up. I

thought my girl was going to hit the

timeline and be like, "Nah, y'all. I'm

straight. Everything is okay. I still

work with the gang." They But, no. Not a

peep. First of all, I am

I am so corny like that that I I really

feel like, "Yeah, you're supposed to go

and say like, 'Oh, what are y'all

talking about?'" But, I didn't really

see it. Like, I don't know what y'all

talking about. I [clears throat] tapped

into Twitter a little bit, cursed out a

few.

>> That's right there. That's all right. It

was all right. But, I've I've taken my

brother's advice and I muted a lot of

stuff. I told y'all that I read comments

about myself for like 2 hours at 4:00 in

the morning. Like, I'm about to go and

cry.

>> Yeah, no. And I muted myself after that.

Like, I ain't

Don't cry. Don't cry. That's the thing

that confirms a long-standing theory

I've had about the

tough on the exterior.

>> [laughter]

>> Behind closed doors, a little cupcake.

Bro, you can't even give me that. The

sweetest thing. You You know why you

can't give me that? Even though I am I

am I am very soft.

>> yeah. Yeah.

>> But,

I was on my period. I've been doing this

for 10 years. You know what I mean?

Like, I've never done that. I've never

really Like, normally, I would find

somebody, go to their page, find their

ashy grandma, go on their grandma. I

can't do that no more because I lose my

page. Then it would be I'll see it and

I'll mute it cuz there's so many ways

that you can

um change your page to not be able to

see stuff like that. So, everybody's

[clears throat] calling you a [ __ ] and

you mute the word [ __ ]

They can type [ __ ] every day, but

nobody sees it but them and Jesus. So,

it's things, you know? But, I just that

day I just decided to read. And again,

this is a new thing for me. So, when I

first was reading these comments because

I do want to give the people what they

want. You know what I mean? So, I want

to tap in, but it's like these It's hard

to please. I don't think you really can

at this point.

>> So, Mona is very happy to be here with

us. Speak for her.

>> [laughter]

>> No, no. I know that because of how she's

hugged everyone today. That's true. I

didn't give a hug, but it's all good.

She's just been Well, you know why? Her

deep-rooted beliefs.

>> [laughter]

>> Actually, actually, her

not-so-deep-rooted beliefs. And And

that's how we got here. Mona Mona came

in and and immediately got into one of

her favorite bags, which is to

you know, harass you?

You know what I mean? Spread the Spread

the good word of the Muslim faith.

Ramadan will be

>> You You like You like the in the train

when you're trying to catch the F.

You like the Like, you get your [ __ ]

off. And she immediately called me a

Christian.

Oh my god. I called him a believer at

first, y'all. I said believer.

He's a believer. He's a believer in a

higher power. I I've been You know, I've

been corrected. But, I just feel like

knowing Joey or whatever, but parting

with him just certain things that he

said What you said that made me say that

was with with You were talking about We

were talking about science.

And when you said whatever you said

about what what you thought about

science.

>> I said you were talking about Corey

being What What is he again? An atheist.

But, he's in love now. So, let's see

where his views stand in a few days.

That'll tell you.

>> A couple Sundays from now, he's going to

have a suit on. Yeah. He's giving his

life to the Lord. Deacon Corey. He's a

witness now. He's driving her door to

door.

>> [laughter]

>> Watch your mouth, my brother. So, Mona

was talking about how Corey's a atheist

and I jumped in and said that I've I've

been listening to some clips of Neil

deGrasse recently and I get the feeling

that he may be, too.

Yeah. And I said he believes in science.

>> Yeah, science.

And then I thought about some of the

areas I disagree with Neil deGrasse

Tyson in. Okay. Neil deGrasse Tyson

believes science to be the end-all,

be-all of all things. And if it's not

scientifically proven or disproven, then

he's just not

he's just not subscribing to it. And I

don't believe in that [ __ ] at all. Me,

neither. I'm totally on

I think it's arrogant of humans to think

that your little man-made science got on

Earth and figured everything out. I

think there's I think there's some [ __ ]

that's that's

that you cannot account for and will not

be able to account for with your little

tools.

>> But, the rest of it, I'm going to go

ahead with science. Yes. Yes. [laughter]

Okay, cool. Yes.

Yes.

>> Yeah. But, see, I think that's that's

where science is. So, right now, yes,

you're right. And then as people keep

learning and experimenting, now we

uncover more [ __ ] Just look at history.

It's [ __ ] that we knew as fact

200 years ago that is completely wrong.

Why? Cuz science has evolved enough to

prove it. I think as they keep going,

they keep discovering new [ __ ] they

keep discovering new sciences and new

theories and whatever, they understand

more. They They know they don't

understand it all. And my higher power

talk My higher power talk to me is

greater than Neil deGrasse's

science talk. There's some [ __ ] that

your science will never be able to

answer. So, when I start speaking to him

because I'm

being spirituality. When I start

speaking to him about what he believes

happens when we leave here, he's very

scientific. Mhm. He's very

[clears throat]

there's no proof that Do you remember

when you were

a nut inside your mom? Do you remember

that? There's no proof to say that death

won't be like pre-birth and yada yada.

Get the I don't He can't convince me of

that. I know too many that woke up and

seen their dead mothers in the corner

talking to them. I believe in mediums. I

believe that there are people that read

other [ __ ] that you humans and your

tools can't read. Okay.

>> And I believe that to have happened by

design. But, see, the other side of

that, the ones who question that think

that's just a coping mechanism. Like,

you didn't really see your mom in the

corner. That Yeah, it's part of your

You're processing your grief. You

thought you saw your mom and that's how

you're helping deal with it. And there's

no way to prove or disprove either one

of them.

>> And that's why it's greater than

science.

And that's why it's greater than

science. You're not going to be able to

prove or disprove it. I Like I said, I

think science and religion is doing the

same thing. Neither one of them can

They're both trying to question

where how we got here and where we're

going when we leave.

>> It's why we're here. Yeah. That That

That's the two questions and they're

going about it in different ways.

Religion is faith-based.

So, we were told something, we believe

it, we don't need proof.

Science is, "No, we have to prove this

and we're going to keep going until we

can prove or disprove it. Until we get

either one of those,

we don't believe it, either." And the

big difference is faith. That's the

You're going to always your intelligent,

your scientific, whatever, you're going

to always be able to talk to a believer

and prove something to them that goes

against what they believe. But, that's

why believers have faith. Believers have

faith is what I think is really what it

is and that's why it's real and that's

why it's true. And that's the big

difference. That's why it's like It's

almost like it's a place of a debate

when it comes to people that believe in

science

>> [clears throat]

>> because the faith part. That's the whole

thing. And for me, the world is so

[ __ ] up. I couldn't imagine living

without having faith. Because without

the faith part, it's like, why would you

care about doing things to people or

being nasty? You know what I mean? Like,

why would What would

What would anything matter if you didn't

have any faith there? It was somebody

watching and it was going to be some

type of judgment or something. But,

there are there are lots of atheists who

are good people and don't steal or kill

people and do Not And they don't for me.

No, no. I'm with you. And I'm saying

that

>> [laughter]

>> Well, you're a criminal as a Muslim.

And that's the thing about And that's

the thing about Muslims are flawed.

Christians are flawed.

For me, Muslims are flawed. Islam is

perfect, not Muslims. Muslims are just

people. You know what I mean? It's like

We're not at the top. You say what?

We're not at the top. Top. That's why I

don't like people like to have these

talks with you and Mark present. I DON'T

I NEVER TALK ABOUT RELIGION. HE DON'T.

>> I KNOW, but I see I see your skin boil.

No.

I just think I think I see the miz

coming out. Miz ready to tell the

[laughter] truth. Miz Miz ready to tell

it. He ready to tell the truth. Well,

but I I got some papers in my bag. No.

>> [laughter]

>> But, I was thinking about the opposite.

I was I was thinking about how many

people also worship science, you know?

And that becomes its that becomes a

problem, too, if you become

so beholden to science that you believe

everything that scientists tell you.

Because scientists, like you said, are

just trying to figure out the Use the

best tools you have at the moment to

make sense of the world until you get

new tools. It's evolving.

Yeah, now that doesn't make me not

believe the world is a sphere. Doesn't

make me not believe that like I can

predict rain or you know, what or you

know, what to eat or you know, there are

lots of things that I that I would lean

into science for but I also don't want

to worship science anymore than I want

to anymore than a scientist would tell

people not to worship something that

they can't see, you know,

lastly I don't

never talk about religion with people.

Cuz I'm partly cuz the cult and spent so

many years doing it but lots of bad lots

of bad stories but also because it

doesn't get I don't think it gets

anywhere. I I feel like some people need

to believe in things

in order to be good people and to stay

sane.

Um and if that's what keeps you from

doing it

I will be honest. Will man say minutes

if a law can make you a better man than

than than Jesus can't remember Charles

Dutton said it too. I'm all for it.

Cool. You know, whatever whatever gets

people going. Yeah. All right, I got my

10-4 you crew here today.

I see what's going on today. So the joke

I've been making ever since I got got

here today. I've been teasing B dot

because we've had a very poor music

release day.

>> [laughter]

>> So his super he's been zapped of his

superpowers to be able to discuss music

and albums but he shocked me. He had a

he had a trick in his back pocket and he

burst out of nowhere [laughter]

and he said

well, I'm a Christian. I am. Oh, peace

God.

>> [laughter]

>> They go together. I didn't know that B B

dot was a Christian and I listen to all

of Rap Radar. I am a believer. Yes,

actually me and Killer Mike got into it

once about faith-based things. So

Really? Yeah, and that conversation

ended up in a Christian-based movie,

believe it or not. Wow. Get out of here.

What was the what was the debate?

>> [laughter]

>> I was serious. No, it was a movie about

T.D. Jakes.

All right.

>> [laughter]

>> He's still out? For now. It was about

>> [laughter]

[laughter]

>> What would you say B dot? No, it was a

movie debunking the fact that you know,

Christianity is a white man's religion.

Remember when Killer Mike had the show

on Netflix and he was talking about

that? It was yeah, so him and I went

back and forth on that. Who won?

I think it was pretty I think well, it

ended up in a movie. So I guess I won,

right?

What [laughter] was your position that

it is a No, it's not a white man's

religion. That's just propaganda. So

when people some people are under the

the thought of that Yeah, Killer Mike

was at the time. He was saying that

Yeah, in in his Netflix special he was

going around, you know, trying to

explain or trying to figure out why that

was the position of Christian

Christianity but I told him it's not. So

It's not it's not a fact that Africans

were introduced to Christianity through

slavery. That's not a thing. No, it's

not. I mean Christianity existed before

the transatlantic slave trade. Actually

it the first

um

it ended up in Ethiopia

um under the the gospel Mark he took it

to

took it there and it spread throughout

the throughout the world.

No, it existed like the first like I

said the first church was set up in

Ethiopia and that's the only that's one

of the only nations

only one of the only nations in Africa

that's never been colonized.

So

You muted up, yo.

>> [laughter]

>> I don't want to hear no no more

inshallahs today.

>> [laughter]

>> He did that during Ramadan, too. That's

crazy.

>> [laughter]

>> While while they hungry as hell HE DID

THAT.

>> [laughter]

>> THAT BEING TRUE OR NOT, RIGHT? It

wouldn't matter. Still doesn't mean that

it wasn't slavery wasn't introduced to a

lot of Africans through slavery. It was

weaponized by a lot of Europeans. I mean

it's the same thing. Like it's really

like Bibles redone so slave owners can

feel better about beating the [ __ ] out

of their slaves and and the women like

Listen, marathon burger.

>> [laughter]

>> Did we ever get to the bottom of it? We

didn't. Oh my God, I'm so happy to see

y'all.

Happy to be here. I am I'm happy to see

y'all. I'm here. Mark is here.

Yes. You all right? I'm great, man. I'm

great. I was thought I wasn't going to

see y'all today for a minute but it

worked out, you know. I was uh

uh

I was dropping my kid to school and I

got a note like right at the school

start time that the school was shut down

cuz the pipe burst and there was no

running water or toilets. They make that

[ __ ] up, don't they? Yeah, and I was

like

that didn't sound like enough of an

argument for keeping the school open.

They need water.

Did you

Yes, I saw it. No, did you see him? Yo,

[laughter] they only sent that email TO

MARK.

THE SCHOOL IS OPEN.

SCHOOL IS OPEN.

>> [laughter]

>> All his classmates in class, right?

Yo, tell him the pipe burst. We're not

doing this today. That sound like the

Leno Me school, man. Yo, I know, don't

it?

It don't they don't charge like one

note man.

>> [laughter]

>> Wait, you paying and the pipe broke?

Wait, this is A PRIVATE SCHOOL? YEAH,

YOU KNOW THAT BOY is in class. Oh, come

on. If I'm paying for a private school,

I'm never watching my son between hours

of 8:00 a.m. and

>> [laughter]

>> 3:00 p.m. Y'all better have something at

the house for him. Yo, that watching

your own kid [ __ ] Right, and my wife

out of town so we didn't have a lot of

options.

So she she left yesterday which was you

know, so I got the next two or three

days to myself.

>> That's like the best part of stardom

that you don't have to see your children

and your family no more. That's what I

thought.

>> [laughter]

>> Turns out when the school closes on a

work day you got to bring them so I

brought them here. This the 80s you

would have been home, man. Bob Barker

would have been babysitting.

I walked in seeing that sandy brown fro.

What the hell is this [ __ ] doing?

>> [laughter]

>> Well, that was And it's real to steal

only speak Spanish. This [ __ ] know how

blind glass, y'all. You thought I was

joking? This [laughter] [ __ ] is for

real. This [ __ ] really is.

>> Well, that was the angle you had walking

in. My angle from the side he was

getting choked out like

>> [laughter]

>> His son his son was definitely choking

and choking him all the way out.

>> I was going to leave out the fact that

he picked Mark up from his thighs and

tried to flip him.

>> He's freakishly strong.

>> [laughter]

>> I didn't know he spoke Spanish. Good

thing Mark is a pro at

No, I didn't know Mark was bilingual.

That could come in handy. Trilingual.

No, yeah, he speak Arabic as well.

Arabic and Spanish? Yeah, that's why I I

got I got a really important question

for him in hour three.

>> [laughter]

>> I got a real I have a really important

question for Mark in an hour three.

Yeah Spanish Arabic

>> [laughter]

>> But yeah, now he's wearing me out

already but he he was this he was

actually chill today much more than the

last time.

He seemed like he just didn't like any

of us. No, he was really gregarious till

you came in. I swear. Oh, he don't like

me. Damn. He spoke to Phelps. He's about

to sit on Phelps' lap.

He gave him a hug. He looked a little

Latina. I think it's the same height,

too.

>> [laughter]

>> Stop playing on me.

And if the school closes it should be

like a substitute school.

It should be something plan B school or

some [ __ ]

Yeah, like after-school program but in

the daytime or some [ __ ] where they

sitting and watch NeverEnding Story like

we did a million times. Exactly. Where

is the TV on the little rolling cart?

>> Yo, do y'all know it's a NeverEnding

Story two and three? No, I didn't. I did

not know either.

>> [clears throat]

>> Who knew that?

>> Wait, how can a NeverEnding Story have a

part two?

You dead ass? I never do that. Yeah, me

neither.

The movie is also like a hour and 15

minutes long or something like that.

It's mad short.

>> Mad short for NeverEnding Story. They

[laughter]

had that and Charlotte's Web on loop for

me in the second grade.

Oh, [ __ ] The next chapter the next

chapter. See, what year did it come out?

That's important.

>> Uh two came out in '90. Okay.

And three came out in '94. Oh, wow.

I don't care what nobody say nothing's

better than those '90s movies. Nothing.

None of them. None of them. Even the TV

shows. I was just thinking about that.

We haven't had a good coming-of-age

movie in a long time. Mhm. No.

And they talking about Coming to America

two.

All [laughter] right.

>> [clears throat]

>> You can play music. Even the little

cartoon shows. Remember the cartoon

shows with those ugly ass dinosaurs?

Yeah, dinosaurs. They knocked the mama

Land Before Time? What? Wait a minute.

You know like talking about the TV shows

on ABC like Knock the Mama? They were

all like big and fat. Yeah. Yeah, one

was in a high chair. Yeah, I'm the baby.

You got to love me. Yes, we got Taz.

Fraggle Rocks like all that [ __ ]

>> don't watch this stuff no more.

>> They watch iPads. Now they watch Roblox

and some of the 40-year-olds that they

playing with

Our children are playing Roblox with

40-year-olds and they think they're

children.

>> [laughter]

>> That's sick.

Okay.

Let's start. I'm done. That's funny but

it's true.

Oh, wow. Okay. Woah.

>> [screaming]

>> Keep this applause going for the best

crew on Earth. [screaming]

We get these drops out the way real

quick.

Is Mark the man hill, [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> And Mona and B dot. We got to fix that.

And B dot and Mona. Here we go. We'll

figure it out. Wait a minute.

>> [laughter]

>> That's what you not don't even [ __ ]

play around.

Don't even play around.

>> Big T dot? Ain't never going to be no

Mona and B dot and Mona. Nah.

>> No, I said Mona and B dot.

>> No, then you tried to switch it to B dot

and Mona.

No, you right. That is right.

That's foul. And then B dot.

>> That's foul. And Mona. Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah. Yeah.

We just met y'all.

We're not that far [laughter] too.

She comes on strong at first.

To know where is the love.

909, welcome to episode 909 of the Joe

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I'm your humble, gracious, grateful,

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Budden here with some really amazing

people to my right.

Y'all was talking [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> But she's here.

Don't call her white girl.

Big Demaris in the building. Hey guys.

>> How you doing Demona? I am well. Good.

Good to have you.

They rolled me here to the chair in a

wheelchair and propped me up. You ever

see Weekend at Bernie's?

Weekend at Monas?

>> [laughter]

>> I was worried about you. What happened?

>> a seizure guys. Yeah. I had a

um

I had a my first seizure last January.

So since I've had a couple.

So yeah, but seizures some to people out

there that have seizures they kind of

like wear you out after and I wasn't

nobody was at the house. So you know, it

was pretty bad.

Have they gotten to the bottom of why

it's happening? Yeah, it's it's blood

pressure but it's like a stress thing.

Like like I'm get like I You know what's

funny? I use I've always been a talker.

I talk a lot of whatever but being that

I do this now I'm quiet. So when I go

through [ __ ] I'm not talking about it

and it's like it's starting to be

overwhelming.

>> Where

Where are you quiet?

>> [laughter]

>> Um

>> [clears throat]

>> No, I'm I'm quiet at home. Like I don't

like I used to be like life of the party

person. I'm talking to everybody. I'm

always having or I'm on the phone all

day long. Like I don't talk on the

phone. I don't talk to people. Like I I

talk for a living so it's not the same.

You know, Bob. And I I'm transparent

with a lot of my [ __ ] so the internet

know what's going on most of the time.

But yeah, that was that's really it

though.

>> Is there anything you could do to reduce

the stress? I just don't want you to

be in a bad spot especially

seeing you

>> life alert. I'm thinking getting on some

whole old [ __ ] [ __ ] On some life alert

[ __ ] I need somebody to really hit the

beep beep.

Uh Miss Demona, are you all right? I'm

good Abigail.

You know what I mean?

>> I was thinking more like diet and

exercise not just like

>> Oh,

>> [laughter]

>> yes. For sure diet exercise. I'm on it.

>> [laughter]

>> I got up this morning. I

I ran 2 miles and said to myself

I couldn't imagine waking up and not

running them. You know what I mean? I

dig it man. You just I just feel like

you're doing too much. That's all. I

just love you and I don't want you to do

too much. That's all. That's all I got

to say. I saw you uploaded you uploaded

a episode and I clicked on it and Yeah,

you look like Do you watch my podcast?

>> You had like a fuschia-ish kind of Yeah,

you did.

You had all black too. Yeah, you didn't

look you looked like you were zapped. I

was like

>> I had on all black.

I was trying to give like a like a like

a

What do they call the Panthers? I was

trying to give a panther look.

>> I thought you were going to say widow.

No. Okay. [laughter]

Okay fellas, that's what we going to do.

I'm just saying.

>> [laughter]

>> Okay.

>> I'm just saying you didn't have to up

You can It's okay to not upload

>> Is it okay?

>> content while you're going through a

health crisis.

>> [ __ ] Does the Joe Budden show miss

a week?

Does Joe Budden Sometimes. We have but

there's also seven of us.

>> My last podcast 4 years I think I missed

maybe two out of the four and I was

super proud of that. You know what I

mean?

Just having something in the tuck or

whatever to my fellow content people

just having something in the tuck so you

don't have to do that. You know what I

mean? But for the most part my

production team doesn't care about me

and they let me do that looking crazy.

Yeah, that was nuts. They could have

told you if they had your best interest

to just sit this one out for a little

bit.

>> them that they suck please.

>> And then I tried to give you a day off

but That is a lie. This [ __ ] been

running with the same lies for about an

hour. I'm glad you're here last week.

>> It's a got Parks. Now you see that's

that's that [ __ ] I be talking about.

Um no, I didn't come in last week but

that wasn't giving a day off. I told

y'all I wasn't coming in cuz I looked

really You have to look a little beat up

at the my podcast. I looked rough on

Friday cuz I have a black eye. My eye is

black. I got makeup on. There's bruises

all over like it was a real thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Sucks. I didn't know what happened

last week Joe. You didn't tell I

I wasn't sure she wasn't fired.

I didn't want to start nothing.

>> It is so sick about the firing thing

because They online counting her months.

Yeah. Like she has been here about 6

months. Yeah. I mean I don't know what

y'all normally do but I feel like even

regardless of what when my contract was

up I think people would say I got fired

anyway. Well, yeah because people leave

unceremoniously from here for years. Oh,

is that the thing?

>> That's the Yeah, so they just put it on

me no matter what. Listen, when I leave

I'm going to talk about it.

>> [laughter]

>> Listen, there's no music out. I mean

there is but

>> There is. There is.

>> god, y'all didn't hear that new La

Russell and Lil Jon?

>> [laughter]

>> I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it.

>> I breezed through it.

I listened to I listened to Wiggle It

because I already like Wiggle It and I'm

like how could he have made Wiggle It

better? Guess how it works.

>> He didn't.

>> Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> It's Wiggle It with that.

I

I I I breezed through it.

Yeah. As I did with a lot of the music

that came out today. Everything

[clears throat] I heard was ass.

>> It was a weak week this week. Mona, we

pushing La Russell's album back to hour

four. Oh, my bad. That's my [ __ ] we

don't open with

with La Russell.

Boosie and his kids dropped.

>> Yeah, he did.

>> Come on. All right.

>> [laughter]

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I told Mona

that I would not press this button today

>> [laughter]

>> cuz she I mean just got back but Let her

live a little bit.

>> trying.

I'm giving her leeway. I just I just did

my job.

I just did my

>> Boosie album? Oh oh, wait a minute

brother. That's the thing. There's no

rhythm or reason to this [ __ ] You just

got to feel when you can do [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> What you could do in hour one you might

can't do hour two and you damn SURE

BETTER NOT TRY it hour four.

>> Boosie is another hour three guy up

here. Maybe four. [clears throat] Yeah,

maybe four sometimes.

You could feel it.

>> feel it. Got you. Keep up [ __ ] But one

album that I listened to against my

better judgment. I didn't want to but I

was like

it seemed like we had to was a Gnarls

Barkley. I don't think that we had to

but I also listened to it.

I didn't even know that. I didn't see

that one. I breezed through it. I

breezed through it.

>> It was highly disappointing. As a

CeeLo fan even though I know he's

problematic and as a Danger Mouse fan

and as a Gnarls Barkley fan

I liked one I liked one song. I Yeah, I

would say one old joint. Yeah. It's like

18 songs. Damn. I think it's 13. 13 13

you're right. And they um

And they they hailed this as the final

album.

So when you say like this is our last

album that makes me feel like you're

swinging for the fences.

>> Yeah. And it felt more like

>> feel like I don't Today? When somebody

tell me this is the last album I think

y'all went in the vault and put some

[ __ ] together and we

we we had to go get one real quick. Yes,

that's fair. That's what it really

means. But for my artist who I I respect

him as artists say and they've they've

made good music separately together. I

was like okay, you probably like like

when Tribe said this is our last album I

was like excited. I know they're not

Tribe. I'm just saying like when I

respect you and you say this is my last

album I I raised my bar. And this wasn't

even a good for a not my last album.

This was like a you should have left

this in the studio.

That's on my to do list. Don't cross it

off. Oh, yeah. Well, Gnarls cross it

off. Yeah, you don't have to.

You could but you don't have to. Yeah.

It won't make you happy.

>> [snorts]

>> Give it a breeze. Give it a Give it a

quick breeze through. It's trash on the

breeze through too.

>> [laughter]

>> You don't need to You don't need to

listen to it in full to know. I do

appreciate that from the [ __ ] that

make trash.

Like if I can hit the sample

and know it's trash thank you. Thank

you. Sometimes they trick you. Sometimes

they trick you. All right. So Gnarls

Barkley trash. What I listened to which

wasn't trash was Ty Dolla Sign's EP.

The EP I called Girl Music and it's

quick.

Uh six six Yeah, six songs 17 minutes

feature Ronald Isley, Brandy, Leon

Thomas

and

this is good. So I I didn't hear none of

the trash. I was very happy about this

one.

I'm looking forward to the Ty Dolla Sign

album. I don't know what happened. He

was supposed to been coming out with

album a couple months ago. This is track

one of Ty Dolla Sign Nobody Has to Know

with Ronald Isley.

>> [music]

>> That's where I stopped. You get the

point.

That's where I stopped.

Stop.

You said that's where you stopped.

That's where I stopped.

Cuz that's R. Kelly.

Oh, no that wasn't why. It was just like

damn like you can't [ __ ] you like I'm

cool. I do Maybe it was just a timing

thing. I don't I love Ty Dolla Sign but

it felt

lazy. Oh, yeah.

Everybody's doing Ronald Isley samples

cuz what's it called dropped this week

with Ronald Isley samples too, right?

Vezo? Y'all don't like Vezo.

Yeah, he put out a little EP as well.

It's pretty good.

It's like for women. Very very women

centric.

Listen, six songs not bad. I love the

Brandy joint. I love the Leon Thomas

joint. I do want to hear the Leon one. I

like all of these joints.

Listen man.

Listen man.

Leon Thomas is on. Leon Thomas might

have the best drop of the week and it

ain't this one though.

Leon Thomas became what we what Ty Dolla

Sign used to be.

You know how if you saw featuring Ty

Dolla Sign you was like yo all right

whoever this is yeah let me hear what Ty

did on this. That's where Leon at now.

Soon as you see it yo all right let me

go I got to see what Leon Thomas did on

this record. And he don't miss. I think

saying that is disrespectful to Leon

Thomas. Yeah, never had that urgency to

say yo Ty Dolla Sign's on this. Oh, now

y'all bugging now. Y'all are absolutely

bugging now.

>> PRTC

is an absolute classic to me and he has

not Ty Dolla $ign as a feature artist

was a thing. No, it wasn't.

I'm not There was an urgency because Ty

Dolla $ign no. Yes. You must be living

in two Americas. Yeah. I'm in the real

one. No. Yeah. I miss that wave, too.

Yeah. Let them fight.

>> [laughter]

>> No. No. I didn't plan it. Don't don't

look at me like I did.

>> No. No. No, there's no fight. No, I

don't think that happened. It happened.

>> see music totally differently. That's

Yeah, that's it. I love Ty Dolla $ign.

It's been a long time since I rushed

with Ty Dolla $ign feature. But there

was a point in time where he was

absolutely mad.

>> popular, but there was a moment where

you were like, yo, this this new

There was a moment where you saw Ty

Dolla $ign featured on a song, it was,

oh [ __ ] You know what Ty does.

>> What what era is this you're talking

about? I agree with you, but what era is

this? This is uh Are you talking about

Jaded?

That might have been towards the end of

it.

Jaded was more 2017.

I thought 2016. No, earlier than that, I

think. I thought 2016. Somewhere in

there. Yeah, somewhere in 15, 16. Are

you talking about

uh The Light?

Let's have sex

in the middle of the night and foreplay.

That [ __ ] was yeah. Somewhere around

there.

>> was a run, bro. I'm cha- I'm challenging

Parks's point. Free TC is is a great

project, my favorite Ty Dolla project,

and it's the closest he's come to

fulfilling his potential to me. I'll say

that. I think to talk about Free TC in

the same class as Mud. Yeah. No, I

wasn't doing that. I didn't say that.

But that's what the but that's the only

reason I say I think they're comparable.

No, not. Hell no. I'm not with that.

[laughter]

Free TC is amazing. AM and PM, man. That

Yeah. It's hard to compare something

>> And I don't think it really matters

because Leon Thomas is signed to Ty

Dolla $ign. Right.

And let me just tell you, if if I have a

label

if I'm an artist and I sign an artist

that start getting that type of blue

flame on them, I'm going in the session

and stealing some songs.

Like if I'm Fat Joe

uh Still Not a Player might be my record

in

90

like 98. Seriously. Yeah. I'm taking it.

I'm on it at least.

If I'm Ty Dolla, I'm on Mud or the Mud

remix. I'm I'm stealing from I kind of

disagree with y'all. Go ahead. Cuz

you go do all the press and shows and

performances and all that [ __ ] with

this. I'mma get my cut anyway. You have

a blast. Well, that's why I prefaced it

with if I'm an artist cuz they're

artists. Yeah.

>> Well, work for Parks.

>> If they're not artists, then then yeah,

go go do all the promo [ __ ] I'll be in

the back somewhere getting a check. But

these guys are artists already. I think

Ty Dolla I love Ty Dolla. Like but I

think he could use one of these

Leon leftovers. See, I feel like he

should be giving [ __ ] to Leon, really.

I feel like he should be writing and

producing and be like, yo, this one you

go ahead. You run around this

>> might be a case where the student might

be better than the teacher. Oh, we kill

who we call. B Dot, you're not a Ty

Dolla $ign fan, huh?

>> [laughter]

>> Ty Dolla $ign. And I don't now that I'm

looking at it I love him on him with

Wyclef or nah, that was a great moment.

We like Ty Dolla $ign. He's great, but I

love Ty Dolla.

>> going to

Ty Ty had a nice little He had a I'm not

I'm not He had a great run. I'm not

mitigating his run. Beach House. I'm not

mitigating anything Ty Dolla $ign has

done, but I can't aggrandize him to the

position that Ty that that Leon Thomas

is in. Or that that Ice that Ice is

doing.

Yeah, I just

>> you need to go back and listen to Free

TC again. That album was great. It was.

I might have to make it a uh give it a

revisit. You weren't in the club when

Mustard and Ty Dolla $ign came on the

>> not disputing that. Yes, Ty Dolla $ign

had a run. He was everywhere.

But I think, you know, to elevate him to

the status that you guys are saying, I I

can't give him that.

>> Okay. Controversial B Dot take. Okay.

Spicy.

>> [laughter]

>> It's spicy. Um I think Leon Thomas had

the better uh the best drop today,

though. That 50 snippet.

From a show. Power Power

That [ __ ] is amazing.

>> Is it called Power It's like the It's

like a spin-off. Legacy. Yeah. It's it's

another show. 50 going to kill uh

theme song, boy. Yeah, and a

documentary apparently.

Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> This was

part seven?

What was it like of of of the 50 Cent TI

beef now?

He responded on on Instagram saying he's

he's willing to write a

He said, "I'm going to respond." He

said, "Remember how quiet I get before I

go after people." Basically, and then he

threatened a

a 50 I mean a TI and Tiny documentary.

No. Yeah. Yeah. And he mentioned sexual

assault allegations. He he made a whole

thing and then he deleted it if I

remember correctly. He Instagrammed and

deleted it. I think people need to stop

pointing that like cuz a lot of people

say, "Oh, well, he deleted as if he

takes it back." 50 deletes everything.

Yeah, that's not a take back. Yeah, it's

not a take back. He he posts it. He lets

the blogs grab it, lets it garner the

attention, it lives over there, and then

he removes it off his page. That's not

him walking anything back. It's part of

his mystique. And TI does this with

everything. Forget No, I was going to

say TI responds to try and put up TI's

uh response cuz I a lot of people

thought that that would actually uh

uh

Yeah, that it like almost like I'mma

I'mma scare you into not into not saying

anything. TI basically was like, "We're

not afraid of a documentary. We we can

go doc for doc. I'll make one about you,

too." He called him a [ __ ] [ __ ] and

then said, "Let's go." and then tweeted

a link to his music. So

this feels like the thing that I was

afraid of.

This is going outside of music. Yeah,

like I Now we're going to make doc for

we're going to go doc for doc? It's

cool. I like a doc, though.

>> [laughter]

>> I like a good doc. I like dogs more than

music right now.

But not like this.

Those are the best docs. Yeah, I don't

>> Revenge docs, though?

>> [laughter]

>> I hate y'all. That Puff doc WAS OUT OF

HERE.

IT WAS GREAT. I ALMOST HATE THAT how

good that documentary is if you think

about the reasons behind it. Like I

think that's corny. I think it's corny

to make the TI Tiny doc about sexual

assault allegations because of this. I

think that's corny. I think I I I just

think it's whack. I don't Can can the

can the ends justify the means? Like

let's just say

the accusations are true.

I'm allegedly let's just say that

they're true. I don't even know the

accusations.

There there's some accusations out

there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There was But let's but let's say that

they are true.

In justice for the victim, getting that

story out would that justify the corny

[ __ ] that it took to get this route?

[ __ ] got to stop using victims for

their revenge. That's the thing. But I'm

just saying

If somebody really did And if you're

going to do that, then I just don't want

to hear "justice for the victim." I We

had the same conversation and what what

Mark said to me was, "Well, none of

those documentaries all of them are

trying to get money when you think about

it that way." which is true.

>> Absolutely. And I was kind of like stop

there, but I don't give a [ __ ] It's

corny. I think it's corny and I I hate

I hate the fact that people try try to

pretend like victims have anything to

do. Nobody gives a [ __ ] about the

victim. That's not in these situations.

It has nothing to do with the victim. 50

don't pretend it does. Come on, bro.

He's just like, I got your ass now.

But he'll say it. He'll use the words

the victims and [ __ ] like that. He'll

use that verbage. So it's still No, it

that shit's ass. And I and and the the

fact that people want me to believe that

a person that's doing stuff like that is

a happy like person, healthy, sane

person is like, okay. I'm not I'm not

saying justice for victim. I'm What my

point is

if someone is out here committing these

acts

then yes, I want to see the doc. That's

what I'm saying. I want to see the doc.

>> Even if it's the corny [ __ ] that that

that it took to get to the doc. If

someone is really doing these things I

think that should be normal.

That should be Yeah, I think I think And

I'm not talking about TI. I'm just

saying anybody. If you out here doing

this [ __ ] like like like the Puff [ __ ]

So what it came from corny [ __ ] He was

doing some of this [ __ ] Yeah, that

that's right, Ice. It's it's the right

thing. I think both of y'all I think

both of what y'all are saying is true. I

think

regardless of the reason for doing it

if it gives justice to victims, great.

That doesn't mean it's not corny. It

still could yeah. I wanted to know what

what you thought of allegedly what

happened. It was almost like a thing

where and you correct me if if I'm

saying it wrong cuz it's old, but it was

like that they would have

nights where they would bring women back

in their bed and then it was stories of

like being drugged or given ecstasy or

being taken advantage of. So instead of

it being just a normal me and my wife

[ __ ] [ __ ] together that they're, you

know, being forced into it. And I

remember one of the girls that got real

popular behind it. Like she was like

shut down. Like everything she said was

not And I don't even want to go into

that too much cuz that [ __ ] will be in

my DM. Yo, I love when podcasters do

that. Sister, please. Go into it and

then don't They give all the old tea

that nobody's talking about. The reason

why I'm saying I don't want to go into

it is because she was championing her

own [ __ ] and the type of person she is,

that [ __ ] will be in my DM in 10

minutes after this [ __ ] drop. And it's

like I don't remember word for word what

happened to you, sister. I'm sorry that

happened to you. Okay. Um allegedly if

it happened or it didn't happen, but

they dogged they they they everybody dog

piled her, but that's what people do to

victims. So that's not like that doesn't

negate the fact whether it was true or

not. But TI and Tiny won. Whatever

lawsuit, whatever, whatever, they won.

So according to, you know, the law or

whatever, they're innocent, you know, as

of then. That's where everybody kind of

left it. Like it wasn't true. You know

what I mean?

Do you guys mind if I hear the Leon

Thomas song? Yeah. Yeah.

Here we go.

>> [laughter]

>> Uh here we go. Here we go.

Leon Thomas Yo, pause this. Pause this.

This [ __ ] is fire. No, Parks just put a

little battery in my back low key. Parks

just put a little New York battery in my

back. I was ready to let this topic just

flow by smoothly.

But I don't know now. Hold up for a

second. Did you do it on [laughter]

there? Hold up. Hold up.

>> [clears throat]

>> This is for a show? Yeah, it's Power. So

my question to y'all don't care. I'm not

watching it.

>> [laughter]

>> I don't give a [ __ ] about that. My

question to y'all

cuz somebody up here said 50 can't

probably even make a diss track.

And I might have said that. I might have

said that too. And I said that I would

never bet against somebody like 50 when

it comes to a diss track. And I don't

know if this is a diss track. However,

Wait. if it were to be,

Y'all said 50 can't make a diss track?

No, I said I don't know if 50 can still

He hasn't wrapped in so long. Yeah, we

just said he wasn't in shape, like in

rap shape. Okay.

What I'm battling TI. Got it.

>> Why doesn't he We You hear this, the

first thing you think is why the [ __ ]

can't you just make a song towards TI?

That's what I Well, when I hear this,

I'm asking, in the event that this were

the the a diss track,

>> be hard. That's the way you do it. That

would end all of that [ __ ] that TI is

talking about very fast.

Very fast.

>> If I was putting a diss track out,

that's the way I'm going to do it

though. Quickly show. Like if he starts

saying some slick [ __ ] on this and one

of these singing [ __ ] come in crooning

Can you start this over?

You want me to start from the top top?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I want to hear

Leon Thomas again.

Demani got to grab his pen if this is

coming out.

>> [laughter]

>> And do what?

Fire. Previously on Power.

>> [laughter]

>> That's for a TV show? Yeah, bro, have

you heard the other theme songs?

I know you don't watch I'm just saying.

These shits is heat, my [ __ ]

He get up for the theme The other ones

are heat. I like the Kanan theme song. I

like the Tommy [ __ ] He ain't got a bad

theme song.

They all crazy actually. So why can't

>> have to stop playing with 50 when it

come to some of these diss tracks. We

were we it was a little crazy up here.

It maybe. I know we were in the midst of

the TI barrage, so we were in the

moment. I still take TI in that in that

battle if it happened.

Well, cuz I don't think 50 got the the

time to go do this five times. But in

the event that he did, that sounds nuts.

>> That's fire. That was amazing. Yeah.

That's my favorite drop this week.

It's [laughter] a minute and a half

long. Ah, [ __ ] it, I'll take it. Nah,

that was crazy. Yeah, if I'm T.I. Dawg,

I'm doing a whole Best of Both Worlds

project with Leon.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm doing like like when Em and Royce

put that [ __ ] I'm doing we doing

albums. I'm getting out the way. You

run. You got it.

If you sign to me, Artists artists are

not as selfless as

>> an exec, too.

Yeah, but he's an artist, too. True.

He's an artist exec. I'll be just doing

my own little what I love doing fun [ __ ]

and let the [ __ ] young wolf go ahead.

Yeah, you make a point. I wouldn't do

that [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> You got a good point.

I would be all up in the video.

I might do that though. I might do that.

Yeah. All right, are you walking on

stage when they win? Yeah.

>> [ __ ] yes. Okay, there you go. All right,

I'm just checking.

Come on, some more people put out trash.

Come on, we trying Y'all Y'all

[laughter] Y'all trying to big up Y'all

trying to big up the drops that we

enjoyed. But it was a trash day. It was

a bad bad It was gar It was garbage day.

What what else dropped? It was a lot of

singing This one This one's going to

hurt.

Yebba dropped.

>> Ah, I didn't like it either, man. I

really wanted I love Yebba.

It was too uh She's one of my favorites.

I absolutely love her down. She's super

talented.

This just was too uh It was too white

poppy. Which Corey said vanilla is the

better word to use, and I'm like, okay,

yeah, I think I can say it's too white,

but

Uh yeah, too vanilla. Too vanilla for

me.

>> felt that way, too. Yeah. It's not bad

music. Like she's too good of a musician

and singer.

She was just going for something

different.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> This this go around.

>> It wasn't the white blue eyed soul. It

was a little bit more poppy. Yeah, it

wasn't melancholy Yebba that who I love.

But uh I'll still be there for the next

Yebba release. Yebba, if you're

listening, I I I love you and congrats

on dropping a new project. This one

wasn't for me, but she probably knew

that already. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeremih put some trash out. I saw it

there and I didn't hit play, so No more

Smart choice. Not on my album. It sound

old, but it it was in my new releases.

>> streaming because Oh, okay. Well, he

could undrop that. Undam

>> He could mail that to himself. That was

a bunch of hot garbage.

Hot hot garbage, too. He's too talented

to even want people to hear that. Yeah,

Jeremih Jeremih came out in 2014. It's a

mixtape. Oh, okay, that makes a lot more

sense.

>> Got it. All right, it might not have

been trash in 2014.

>> Yeah, that's why I was like when I saw

it, I'm like, Wait.

>> Even that album cover was trash.

Not on my album, yeah. At 45, I'm

looking at your album covers and your

album artwork, too. I'm sorry. I did

that my whole life, but even more so

now.

>> [laughter]

>> Uh I feel like some more trash came out.

>> Damn, what else? There was some decent

music though. Denzel Curry, he put out a

compilation. Um are you up on Denzel

Curry like that?

>> Curry, yeah. This was too uh

not for me. Was it for you? It's like

festival rap. Yeah, I think it's

>> of distorted vocals, a lot of you know

what I mean?

>> of like jump around It's a lot of Fergs

on there. Um Shout out to Ferg.

>> Juicy J's on there. A bunch of artists

that I'm not familiar with. It's easy to

listen to. It's only eight tracks, but I

enjoyed what I heard. Okay, it's only

eight tracks, I'll give it a spin. Yeah,

it's going to work out like Coachella,

one of those kind of Rolling Loud

settings, so Yeah, I could see that. one

of those acts?

>> Yes. Yeah, he's one definitely one of

those. He's super fire. He could rap his

ass off.

I just when it's like too much

alternative-y sounding, it it

I It's not for me. Are any of you guys

going to Coachella?

Are there any Coachella people in the

room? I love festivals, but I will not

be going to Coachella. Roots Picnic?

I'll be Roots Picnic, I'll be there.

Yeah, yeah. Dreamville?

>> [laughter]

>> Maybe. I think it's over this year. I I

thought they were just rebranding it or

something but

Cole's going on tour, man.

Got it, so I don't think that's going to

happen. Or his date or his date for that

area be Dreamville. Yeah.

You know they didn't announce that,

right?

>> [laughter]

>> What? What? What Dot just said. They

said he's going on tour, too? Nah.

That's Yes, they That's how I'm not

talking about the tour. Dreamville.

Yeah.

They did not announce that. Nah, what?

That That was the last one last year.

They did say it was the final one that

year.

No, that's public knowledge.

>> But they announced the Dreamville. No,

they announced Dreamville Fest is done.

Yeah, they did. No, that was last year.

Yeah, that was the final one.

They said something about rebranding it

or something. Yeah, that's what I'm

saying. They put something out.

>> feelers out there, but I don't know if

it's going to come to pass. All right.

It's all I'm not going to no festival no

way.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm I'm not going to no

I don't like people. He ain't going

outside with people. I was about to say.

I mean, but rich [ __ ] sit at the

festivals alone in their own little

tent.

You might get your own tent. I'm going

to Rolling Loud this year. I want you to

go with me. Which one? And I'mma have a

booth.

Which one you going to? A booth?

>> [laughter]

>> Man, you going to Black Effect Festival?

I got a little gig at the You know what

I mean? I'll be there. Just cool out.

I know what I'm doing. [laughter]

This [ __ ] always try to tell you what

he's doing. You know what I mean? You

want some slick Okay, [ __ ] Yeah, and

you got [clears throat] you on Yeah, you

got some stuff going on?

>> [laughter]

>> Like this [ __ ] drop a [ __ ] It'll be

a article come out. Oh, Joe Budden just

made 73 billion dollars last week. Come

in next day, we grill cheeses together.

I don't say nothing about it. You know

what I mean? He see I'm on the little

Black Effect and I go, I see you. Okay,

[ __ ] I thought I was shouting some

[ __ ] out. I'm sorry. ALL RIGHT, FINE.

>> [laughter]

>> WE WEREN'T HERE.

OH MY GOD.

I GOT TWO poor [ __ ] in the next room.

>> [laughter]

>> B Dot, I did mean to tell you, too, you

left last week and hit us with an Irish

goodbye. Oh, I did?

>> A little Irish But we we we [ __ ] [ __ ]

watch you leave, boy. Nah, he he moves

fast.

>> I thought I said bye to everybody.

>> You did, but you was out the door fast.

And I meant to tell you that we do like

a brunch like a brunch/dinner

on Fridays. At least eat with us before

you go. See, the chef's in all that. I

didn't know what that was about. I

thought it was like It was before me. We

ate double meat.

>> [laughter]

>> That's something I implemented. I was

like, you wanted real [ __ ] in here. We

needed a chef. Yo, that's true, yo.

She's a union

I am the union leader. So I'm not sure

if you if you're rushing out of there,

but You know what I mean? Slow down, get

you a little crumb Yeah, have a bite,

man.

Good to know.

All right, let's see. I know there's

some more

I know there's some more trash out

there. Hold on. Oh, I had something for

you, too, Joe. What you got? So I was

after I left, I went home and did some

cleaning up, and I was I found something

I ain't see like in over a decade. This

was something you gave me.

I was like, before I put this out on

eBay, I was like, wonder if you remember

this. Do you remember this?

THAT'S THE JOE BUDDEN HOOKAH.

WOW, MAN. IF YOU OPEN IT, you can smoke

that Joe Budden pack, too.

>> used it. Yeah, but you got to give me

this [ __ ] It's the Joe Budden

hookah, and the special part of it is

you don't smoke hookah stuff, you smoke

weed in it.

>> [laughter]

>> JOE, YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW

THIS WAS A GOOD HOOKAH SET. THAT WAS A

good hookah. No, but open it, you got

the thing in here, too. Still unused.

The the package shisha. He got the

coals. Oh, you never used it at all. And

he got the done.

All right, Mona. All right. Thank you,

girl.

I don't even think I got the Yeah, I

don't even think I got the Joe

I didn't know it existed. B Dot, yeah, I

did. I collect things. Thank you. I was

about to say, this so matches what I

think of I feel like

>> That Joe Budden pack.

>> [laughter]

>> Wow.

>> blend. The Budden blend.

What's in it What's in it What's in it

after 10 years old?

>> Hey Mona, what's in that Budden blend?

>> [laughter]

>> Like I feel like B Dot, I feel like you

live in like a just a hip-hop museum.

>> [laughter]

>> I mean, but he does, yeah. I I like to

collect things, man.

That's crazy, man. I ain't

>> Does it Does it expire? Smell like

embalming fluid.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh, cuz I got seizure jokes for days,

bro.

I I got them for days. If you If you

[laughter] want If we If that's what we

on today, minutes in the scene you

called me ugly. You started it. So,

whatever. Yeah, but I tried to squash

it too.

>> Okay, so what? That [ __ ] smell good. Now

[laughter] we just squash it. Now it's

over. Now that you got the last word.

Yeah,

>> I got the last one and we good. Um this

is fire, B real. Wait, pass it pass it

back to B real. You was giving out

hookahs and [ __ ]

I don't really know where that was from,

but

>> That's how you know my album wasn't

going to sell but 10 copies. Do

[laughter] you have another one? Do you

have another one of these?

>> No.

No, I threw away all hookah remnants in

my house.

>> in contact with

No. No. Okay.

Free ads. Free ads.

>> [laughter]

>> Free ads.

Write that down, please.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

All right, let me see. I know it's some

more trash out [laughter] there. Oh,

they they keep interrupting me, but it's

trash out there.

The guy keeps dropping trash.

Who? Akim Ali, what's his name?

>> Okay, you going to get fired. Why?

>> [laughter]

>> I don't know what name I can say and I

can't say

I really do.

>> say Akim Ali?

Why? Y'all don't like him?

>> And hour one. He's not big enough? Yes,

UNLESS HE PAYS.

>> [laughter]

>> UNLESS

WHO'S GOING TO PAY if we just come right

off the hip with [ __ ] Akim Ali I'm

not supposed to know that. Y'all got to

tell me.

>> Come on, this is payola, [ __ ] The

[laughter] [ __ ] is you going? We are

selling these broadcasts. Pharrell

clapped back at Kanye's gospel run.

Yeah.

>> He dropped a gospel album with Voices of

Fire.

Um which when it first came on, I

thought it was just people singing over

random Pharrell beats cuz

I can't remember what this bass line is

from,

but it's from something else.

He used the same bass line on something.

I can't remember what it is or something

very similar.

Anyway, it's a whole

it's a whole gospel album

with a choir.

Okay.

>> [laughter]

>> Okay.

But all Pharrell production, I mean

Is Pusha coming on at some point? He is

[laughter] not. He is not. Is Is Malice

coming on?

>> Malice is not here today.

>> Oh, then that turn this [ __ ] to

more trash. Hey hey Park.

>> More trash. Grammy.

Nah. No, no, no. The gospel Grammy?

Yeah, he might get that. He might get

that. He might be all right. We're going

to go play over there. You might be all

right.

And this is Of Unem. That's what it is,

yeah.

Trash.

I mean

>> [laughter and cough]

>> Gone are the days where I'm I'm forcing

a [ __ ] album opinion on some of this

[ __ ] It's trash.

>> You're not wrong. Let's see here. Oh,

[ __ ] Sheff G came out. And I never even

heard the song. It's not that great. I

[ __ ] with Sheff G.

>> Yeah, I do too, but the song isn't

Republican It's not a good record.

What is It's a Republican song.

>> [laughter]

>> We love Sheff G, Joe Budden.

Yeah. It gave That was a real good

impression.

>> [laughter]

>> Um

and a couple of R&B slaps came out, but

none of it's trash. Yeah. None of it's

trash. Any more trash we miss? Any trash

Any old trash we miss?

For real, I miss the days where you

could just come to work and just call

some [ __ ] trash. It was a lot this week,

so It was a lot of trash. I ain't even

listen to the trash.

>> lot of a lot of loosies by people that

aren't good rappers. Okay, yeah, no.

>> Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, not today. Not

today.

>> I knew it was a bad week when I seen all

types of Van Halen and [ __ ] Who on my

new music singles. I was like, all

right, yeah, slow week. Did you guys see

the the the debate they having about

rappers without a classic? Yes.

>> Yes. Yes. I've been very excited about

that conversation, waiting to have it

with y'all. It is a spirited

conversation that they that's they

having out there. It's it's tricky. So a

list went around.

Um he wrote He said the top 10 all-time

great MCs without classic solo album.

He's an idiot.

You want 10 to one or one to 10? 10 to

one. 10 to one. 10 to one. Number 10,

Canibus.

True. Number nine, Andre 3000.

Number That That's Okay.

>> Put an asterisk.

No, that's wrong. Well, it depends on

unless he unless he means rap albums.

Solo.

>> Are you saying solo rap album?

>> album is a classic album. That is

incorrect.

The Love Below is a classic.

>> No, he might have seen it as a solo

album. That's all I'm saying. It's not a

solo album.

Who else is on it? It's a rap album. Who

else is on it? That part That part I can

agree with. That's an Outkast album.

That's what I'm saying. If he said solo

rap album, I could see it. You know

Jones is a feature on it. Is it a rap Is

it a solo Lauren album, y'all saying a

rap album and it got her in the rock and

roll hall of fame. It got her in the

music hall of fame. If your one album is

great enough then it don't matter the

[ __ ] genre. It succeeds all But I

have a But if we talking rap albums But

the the argument is rap albums. I can

see you saying Andre doesn't have a

That's not a rap album. But if you But

it is But that wasn't the conversation.

They said rappers, which he is, MCs

without a classic solo

>> album. I'm telling y'all I'm saying I

assume he meant rap. Can you buy the

Love Below by itself?

Can you buy the Love Below by itself?

No, but that I mean

>> It's not a solo album, [ __ ] That's it.

And that's what they're saying.

That's what THEY IT'S AN OUTKAST ALBUM.

Can you buy that? It's an Andre album.

It's an Andre album. Fam, go buy the

Love Below. You put them together, it's

an Outkast album. You cannot buy them

separately. It's an Outkast double disc.

That's what the That's Speakerboxx The

Love Below. You can't separate them just

because we want to say we like disc two

versus disc one or whatever the case may

be. I'm talking about in Two different

CDs. Yeah, you you you talking about

consumerism.

>> Right. When Andre got the Grammy for for

for Hey Ya'll and [ __ ] they didn't I

mean it was Andre that got it. It wasn't

Outkast that got it. He went up on the

stage. You talking about

You talking about consumerism. I'm

talking about what it the creation of

making an album by yourself. Sir. And

that's what he did.

>> 30 plus minutes of music by one artist

on a 30 plus minute album.

>> He went in there. He made one. How they

sold it, I don't give a [ __ ] about it.

But go ahead. Yeah, keep going. Uh

eight, Busta Rhymes. He is debatable.

I'll let you finish.

Uh we want to we want to Okay, finish

the list. Okay. Busta's got a bunch of

near classics. He doesn't have a

classic. Yeah, Big Bang is great for

example, but it's not a classic. And He

doesn't have a great album. The Coming

Day uh

All them shits. I agree with that.

[clears throat] Yeah, I

I agree.

Seven Ludacris.

I also agree. Yeah. I probably agree.

Well, Great albums, great

Not classic albums.

>> of great singles. A lot of classic

singles. Classic singles. No, Ludacris

don't have a classic album. You don't I

don't think it's a unanimous classic

album. He's He's got a bunch of great

albums though. Yeah, you're right. He

has great doesn't have a classic.

>> He's got at least three albums that I

think are right in that mix. We know

what a classic is, right?

Well, all classics aren't created equal

though. Not according to Jermaine Dupri,

who came up here and said a classic is a

classic and if it ain't, it ain't.

Yeah. And and he used that what he used

for an example, we were talking about uh

Carl Thomas' Emotional and he said is

that in the same ballpark as

Confessions? And the old room said no

and he said, "Well, it ain't a classic."

I think there's a cult classic and a

classic though. Yes, I agree. Those are

two different things. Cult classic. I

think there's personal classics. No. I

agree. No, that's that's your favorite.

Yeah, I I don't think that's fair. It's

just like it's just like in sports,

there's Hall of Famers, right?

Everybody's not the same level even in

the Hall of Fame. Max players,

everybody's not the same. Like do you

There's always going to be a best among

the best. So like I don't like I I I'm

okay saying Carl Thomas is a classic

album and still acknowledging that it's

not [ __ ] Confessions. And I can say

Confessions ain't Thriller. Facts.

>> And they all and they all classics to

me.

>> What makes a classic album? Impact,

influence. Longevity. I think it's one

of the biggest ones.

>> Musicality, of course.

Not necessarily. I don't think

musicality is that important. Not

necessarily.

So why are we here?

The music has to sound good. It can have

a classic moment.

>> Musicality and music sounding good are

two different things. I was going to say

I use them interchangeably then. Oh,

they're They're not. Okay. So it could

be a very good musician and not make

music that you want to hear. And there

could be something that is not

particularly musically profound in terms

of execution, great musicianship, but

it's still a classic album. Yeah. Mm.

You have an example of that? Uh

where do you want to start? In rap.

In rap?

Um

[ __ ] a lot of early Pharrell's stuff

wasn't musically that deep.

Well, I think those are maybe classic

moments, okay, but might not necessarily

be classic albums. I think Clipse's

album is a classic album.

>> I do so. I believe so as well. Uh I

think a lot of stuff that Swiss did is

not musically profound at all.

>> You said something about Swiss last week

and I I it rubbed me the wrong way,

really grinded my gears.

>> Cuz like Swiss's music, you can still

play today and it still sounds good.

Yeah, but it's not music The musicality

isn't uh

great. Would be poor. Yeah.

I disagree with that. So you You didn't

like the Casio?

The the I'm not even talking about the

the sounds that he picked. The actual

playing the keyboard playing wasn't

particularly great. A lot of times it

was very Even uh

DMX [ __ ] Ruff Ryders' Anthem is a

simple as But it's still a great record.

Casio. And that's back to my point.

That's exactly my point. Is musicality

does not necessarily infer classic.

>> But it doesn't have to be like super

technical. Do you Do you think that it

has to be? If you're talking about

musicality, you're talking about a

certain level of proficiency.

No, you are. All right, let me I'm

speaking Let me let me let me do what my

brother Ice would do. Let's look up

musicality for a minute.

As I understand musicality, it is about

the performance, it's about talent, it's

about um Virtuosity. Virtuosity, yeah.

As opposed to it sounding good. I'm not

saying that Some songs could be very

basic. Whisper songs. I mean there's

things you could make that are very

basic that are amazing, but I wouldn't

say that that demonstrates musicality.

>> I'm not saying he's Beethoven, but I'm

just saying like I think it's just we

playing the semantic Olympics. Well, but

I I think that's why we're talking past

each other. I think that's what I'm

saying. I think that's why we're talking

past each other. Uh

Musicality is the sensitivity to

knowledge of or innate talent for music,

encompassing the ability to interpret

and express music with emotional depth,

technical skill, and rhythmic precision.

It involves understanding phrasing,

dynamics, and tone to convey emotion or

to tell a story through performance,

dancing, or listening. That's That's

>> That does eliminate Ruff Ryders' Anthem.

Yeah, yeah. That's not musicality, even

though it sounds good. My biggest thing

with classic I mean I think the

definition of classic is something that

is uh

above anything that's happening in its

time period with a component of

uh longevity, I think is is the

definition of classic, somewhere in that

ballpark. So I think those are the two

most important things. Is it better than

everything else and does it last a long

time? And does it change Like for me,

classic it has to be like a game changer

as well. Do you believe in instant

classics?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Illmatic was an

instant classic. Get Rich was an instant

classic.

Love Supreme was an instant classic. I

mean, I think you have an instant

classic. I think the I know it just as a

music writer.

>> was an instant classic.

>> That's a great example. That was a

debate like when we were when I was when

I was still in the music journalism like

it's like are we willing to give this to

a 10 or a five mic, whatever the number

is in the the venue was like because the