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>> [music]

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>> I just right now we should start the

show.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm more than just an auction. YOU LOOK

LIKE THAT, BOY. LOOK AT YOU.

>> [laughter]

>> [ __ ] trying to stare up at the sun,

boy. Look at us.

LOOK AT US, BOY.

>> [laughter]

>> HEY. HEY.

Don't act like you serious.

I was reading THE BOARD, BRO.

HELLO. HEY, you guys.

>> [laughter]

>> What up, y'all? What up? What's popping?

How we feeling?

I'm [laughter] more He more than just an

auction.

Look at this [ __ ] Best I ever had face

ass [ __ ] [laughter]

What up, boy? Good day, [laughter] sir.

You look like you You look like Marvin.

>> [laughter]

>> [ __ ] out of here, dude. Why you look

like you who the song was about, [ __ ]

Mad Marvin in the face. [laughter]

You look like Marvin. Oh, it's good to

see y'all. What's popping, man? It's

good to see everybody.

Good to be here. Good to see my

brothers.

Y'all look all good. Y'all look all

good. Y'all all look good. Y'all look

all good. What's up, man? Got my

He said I was following his He know what

I'm saying. You know I got a bunch of

You had it first. Thank you.

Thank you. Said no one ever. I know.

This is the one time that it's been

said.

I don't know if it's true. Now, he

better have a little bedazzle, you know

what I mean? Fire.

>> He talking about the brand. I know. The

fire The fire

>> think Flip was wearing bedazzles before

Joe Budden?

Repeat that sentence.

>> [laughter]

>> Repeat that sentence. All right. You're

the most bedazzled of us all.

Yeah. [laughter] It's true. You boss.

You're the most bedazzled of us all.

I see, man. You got it. Look who [ __ ]

[laughter] fight to be. It's got to be

you. I said everything. Marv, what's up,

man? Nothing, man. Life is good. All the

time? I have no complaints, man. Good.

Good. I um

Yesterday, my wife um Why you so calm,

man? What's up? Yeah, I'm just chilling.

I'm I'm in a good I'm in a good head.

I'm not I have a little cold, too, but

I'm I'm trying to clear my throat. But

um

My wife uh My son is off for 2 weeks.

Apparently, his school takes 2 weeks

off.

And my wife signed him up for a spring

break

at camp, except she didn't sign him up.

So, when I drove there yesterday and got

there, he wasn't on the list.

>> [laughter]

>> So, I did everything I could to convince

I tried to I mean, I was pulling money

out of my pocket.

Take [clears throat] this little

[ __ ] I was like, "Please."

They weren't having it.

So, I spent yesterday trying to find a

new place for him for 2 weeks. So, I

signed him up.

>> Hotel?

>> [laughter]

>> I signed I registered him for a whole

new school. They think he goes there

now.

And I signed him up. I'm going to pull

him out after 2 weeks.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

Yeah. And they were like, "But you need

all the I I got a doctor's Yes, I went

to a doctor. I got a I got everything. I

got immunizations. Whatever I don't

have, I'll make up. I dropped him off

today.

He seemed like he liked it.

Nice. [laughter] Yeah. I didn't stay

long.

But Yeah, I dropped him at the door.

I didn't drive I didn't drive him. I

gave him all the paperwork and stuff.

>> [laughter]

>> I gave him the check, but then I was

out. I'll tell you where the spot is,

too.

Give this to Sister Mary Clarence. Yo,

you I'm good for 2 weeks. Yo, that's

spring break. Fair. Dog, I almost had a

heart attack when I brought him to that

school yesterday. They said, "Nah."

Yeah.

I feel like it was a little personal,

too. I feel like they could have did it.

All right. He ain't offering enough

money out. He ain't pulling enough money

out.

>> That's all I meant.

And did you have on one of your

political hoodies? No.

>> [laughter]

>> I didn't even wear Y'all [ __ ]

I was like, "Please." Oh, oh, it's only

here you do that.

>> [laughter]

>> Awesome. I'm wearing a good shirt today.

This is This is a good one. This is

uncontroversial.

I stand with Sudan. Who doesn't stand

with Sudan?

>> [laughter]

>> You get the [ __ ] That's how he That's

how he do it. He wear a shirt. He he

figured it out. We ask him about it,

then he get to say the [ __ ] that you

know

>> learned where Sudan is. Well, it's a

civil war. That's the point. So, like

>> [laughter]

>> Saying you stand with Sudan don't mean

nothing.

It's like when I go to my girl about

something that's been on my mind, and

somehow it flips into like I saw this

trap. Like, how did this happen?

Shout out to the people of Sudan. Yes,

indeed. Yes. Yes, Marv. And people in

your lovely Jersey neighborhood that

you're going to your rich suburb

>> [laughter]

>> This guy is the greatest. That's where I

strategize Joe.

You'll never find me there. [laughter]

Flip, what up, man? Chilling, man.

Is you really keeping this Malcolm X

look going through like Are you going to

go through the spring with it?

I don't even know what you're talking

>> bodied Ari with it. Stop. Don't be

stupid with me, [ __ ] It's me. You

bodied Ari with this look. Your DMs was

on fire.

Nah, he was a little more buttoned up

than Ari, I thought. Nah, the glasses

>> Oh, glasses. That's what I'm talking

about. The glasses, the Malcolm X look

on Ari. The code switching fingers

crossed. Code switching

Oh, yeah. I mean, I

I love J Elec, but not like you. Like,

that [ __ ] worked. [laughter] Your DMs

lit on fire. You was hot on

Then you Then you did it again. You came

in again with these glasses on. So, and

I know you.

>> here with the glasses first. And you

came to my birthday dinner in these

glasses. That's where you debuted.

Soft launch. Soft Soft launch, for sure.

So, I want to know if you're keeping

this thing going through the through the

spring and and through the summer.

It is becoming. I think I'm wearing

glasses for the rest of my days.

Oh, on Earth? Yeah. You don't wear

contacts anymore? Yeah. You got to wear

double.

>> [laughter]

>> You got both on?

DAMN [ __ ]

DAMN, [ __ ] I WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING IN

3D [ __ ]

THEY LOOK GOOD, THOUGH. DUDE, you look

nice, man. Thank you, sir. This whole

outfit like you

You look good. You know that's blind

like y'all blind while y'all too.

Yeah.

What's your point, though?

Cuz you know when you And you That's the

That's a The other senses get

heightened. Yeah. You don't need

Yo, he 50. He get headaches quick. You

don't [laughter] smell? Yeah. WHAT YOU

TALKING ABOUT?

THE OTHER SENSES.

>> [laughter]

>> NAH, he get headaches quick.

>> [laughter]

>> HEY, YO. HONEY, I'M

I'M DIZZY.

LET ME TAKE A SECOND.

>> [laughter]

>> THE

THE ROOM IS SPINNING. Come on. IT'S GOOD

TO

HOPEFULLY.

MAN, I AIN'T MAD AT THAT. WELL, you look

good, man. Thank you, sir. Shout out to

you, Ish. How can How can we can never

just say that? What? It's more fun when

Cuz he don't accept Cuz we black men.

All right. No, you got to do all THE

OTHER [ __ ]

>> [screaming]

>> HE HE DON'T ACCEPT IT. WE WAS GIVING HIM

COMPLIMENTS. He don't like that. He

looking up acting like he squinted at

the board. That's That's what you call

what you was doing?

That's his point. It's cool, though. And

why you cream head to toe? Like, what's

going on, dude?

>> [laughter]

>> You look like the eraser on A GOOD

PENCIL.

YOU LOOK like a Timberland cleaner.

[laughter]

What the [ __ ] is up with this dude?

>> [laughter]

>> God damn. This is better than comedy.

>> [laughter]

>> The Timberland cleaner. You ain't buy

that separate. You ain't buy that. You

bought that together like on the

mannequin. You ain't buy that separate.

You ain't like just buy the top and then

say, "Let me find some sneakers to

match." Boy.

Boy. [clears throat]

>> [laughter]

>> You know he met some girl that work in

New Balance.

Gave her his info. 900 hours on the

phone. That's what it was. A website.

Gave her the website.

>> did this with the glasses on. He's

network bae.

He [laughter] just did this. Network

Network bae going to find something to

network about.

>> [laughter]

>> Not not not [clears throat] not not just

that.

Not not not not just that.

Not just sneakers and [laughter] a suit.

Oh my god.

All right. We got a good show lined up

for y'all. I'm a little sad today. Why?

I'm a little sad. What's going on, bro?

Oh, I know why.

Rest in peace to the founder of

OnlyFans. Oh, [laughter] yeah. Don't

worry.

The content's going to keep coming.

>> [laughter]

>> Yo, look what you think I'm sad about.

Well, that is something to be sad about.

Rest in peace to dude.

He did it. [snorts] He did it big. Who

gets that operation?

Oh my lord. Kids is having a blast.

That's [ __ ] up to say right now.

That's bad to say.

Nah, rest in [clears throat] peace, man.

Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Thoughts

and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. But

boy, does he leave a fortune. 6.7

billion.

You get worth enough, you got to get

paranoid even with kids. [ __ ] that.

Yeah.

Dog, I'd be scared of the water you

drink in restaurants or all that [ __ ]

You It's a different type of money.

Is there anybody trying to poison you?

Shut the [ __ ] up. I know. I ain't got I

ain't got 6.7.

Actually, let me stop. I ain't [ __ ]

with him today.

Um what was I saying? All right.

OnlyFans. No, why am I sad? Oh, cuz of

that Q.

Oh. [snorts] Yeah, that Q was a

It's over.

The I saw I don't know what I saw that

Q.

Let me get this podcast started. I saw

that Q and was like, "You know what?"

>> Do I start begging? Joe Budden is a

[ __ ] That's what I'm going to say

right now. What? You

He can get it, but the

What's going on, Mark? You tried to go

in there? No. Or you had to go through

him? NO, I was going to get my own

tickets. What I'm saying is

All this [ __ ] you talk about poor people

No, I would have Joe always The older

poor is we logging in doing all this Oh

my god, you guys stand in line you guys

do this. You stood in line with 816,000

people trying to get Jay-Z tickets.

>> No, he did not.

>> No, of course he didn't. AND YOU NEVER

WERE PLANNING TO.

YOU DON'T DO THAT. You clown people to

do [ __ ] like You tricked me made me feel

sad. You clown [ __ ] to do regular

[ __ ] LIKE BUY GROCERIES.

NO, [laughter] HE CLOWN

>> YOU MADE FUN of us FOR HAVING A COLD. HE

CLOWN the [ __ ] that's with the No,

I'm clown I clown I clown y'all for

y'all having extremely poor immune

systems as you age. You and Ish. Like

y'all sick every other day. Dog, and 4

years ago, 5 years ago, so were you. Not

like this. You were. [ __ ] we remember

when Lex was going to school and you was

coming in arguing about the dirty ass

kids, quote unquote, that keep getting

you sick.

>> Not like this though. I know. You and

Mark, y'all be sick. I'm not sick, but I

hear you though. It's Or you just

congested? I'm not congested either.

It's all right though, dog. I remember

you coming in here coughing up a lung.

And then y'all don't call out when you

sick either. Y'all come right in and

spread the germs. Is that what you want?

Yes, that's what I want.

>> Now now let us call out because we got

the germs.

Look.

>> [laughter]

>> Okay.

But you got a strong immune system so

you WON'T GET THE GERMS ANYWAY.

>> WELL, that's facts. Yeah, so we good.

Immune system built like a man. That's

what you talking about.

>> [laughter]

>> I don't remember what we was talking

about.

You were you were pretending that you

were upset you were lying about these

tickets. YEAH, I WAS UPSET ABOUT THE

QUEUE. OH, let me get up there. Yeah, I

was upset about the queue. Not that I

was going to go in there, but if it were

a reasonable number, then I would have

went in there and waited in line.

>> REASONABLE THREE?

>> [laughter]

>> 27 100

Something like that.

I thought he might have sent out a code

to some family and friends to be able to

purchase early and stuff. That was

yesterday. [laughter]

That was yesterday.

>> Yeah, I know.

By the time I saw that she said 800,099

I was like, you know what?

I might just watch it from home. I got

in there with the code yesterday. It was

one ticket left on the riser on stage.

And I just before I could even click to

see how much that ticket was it was

disappeared gone. They said no tickets

available.

>> Hold up, you was going to go without

your girl?

It was one ticket left.

>> If need be

>> [laughter]

>> What were you going to do with said

ticket?

I'D BOUGHT THAT

>> [laughter]

>> IT WAS ONE TICKET LEFT. MY

WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO? THIS IS HOME.

WOULD YOU GO WOULD you go without YOUR

GIRL?

>> [laughter]

>> MY NAME IS FREEZE.

TAKE THIS AND NEVER come over again. F r

e e z Freeze.

>> [laughter]

>> Yo, as Freeze

I was playing Reasonable Doubt in front

of my wife over and over. I said, "Yeah,

this [ __ ] don't even sound good live, do

it." She like, "No." And when we got to

like track 10, I was like, "Yeah, I

might just go with my homies by myself."

You know what I mean? Go by myself. You

don't want to go No way. And then she

saw the the fake out. So now she want to

go to the Blueprint show.

Yeah. So I thought That's the one I want

to go to anyway. Yeah, you getting

tickets, Mark? You got you got you got

you Yeah, let me get I'm going to get me

tickets to at least one of the shows,

probably both. Just to say I went. Let's

go, Mark. You going to ain't you?

Yeah, but I'm I'm doing other I'm doing

other routes. I'm taking I'm taking I'm

taking another route to go. What you

going to do? Yeah, I was about to say.

Well

Sneak in again.

>> [laughter]

>> How the [ __ ]

How the [ __ ] Sneak in you Didn't you get

tased at the Barclays Center?

Yo, I'mma call Shabba.

>> [laughter]

>> Shabba

He going to text Wyclef At least at

least I can call somebody Ish, [ __ ] I

don't got to pretend. I don't have no

Hello, Mark. No, Mandy get him in.

You know you know how to just call

>> [laughter]

>> Yo, if she could

I I used to proud to be like, "Yo,

word?" Facts. You were you were ill plus

one.

So you good. So ask me kindly like that.

>> [laughter]

>> He'll cool what? He'll never ask you.

HE'LL NEVER ASK HE'LL STOP LISTENING TO

THE WHOLE WORLD.

>> [laughter]

>> I DIDN'T ASK NOBODY [ __ ] THAT [ __ ] I'm

saying like you would ask Mandy. I

wouldn't ask Mandy.

You just said you Mandy's my friend and

I would be like, "Yo, are you want to go

to blah blah blah? I got tickets." And

I'll be like, "Yes." Would she ask you

like that? I didn't ask anybody. But if

she said if she said I have an extra

ticket, would you say can I go? No, she

if she's telling me, "Yo, I got an extra

ticket to something." She's telling me

for a reason. And would you follow up

and ask? No, she'll be like, "Yo, do you

want to go?" My If I call Mark and say,

"Yo, yo, I got an extra ticket to the

blah blah blah."

I'm I'm insinuating that yo, would you

like the ticket? I got an extra ticket,

would you like to go with me? Sure.

How you feel? What time should I pick

you up?

>> [laughter]

>> What that What that [ __ ] you like?

What time? Hey, send me your address.

WHAT'S UP, NICE?

>> [laughter]

>> MEET ME AT THE STOP SIGN, ASS [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> KEEP THIS applause going for the best

crew on Earth. Let's go. Let me get

these drops out the way right quick.

It's Parks.

It's Parks. It's Parks.

Uh

Who is that?

It's Mark.

New Flip.

>> And I still don't have my Flip drop. Uh

And I'm and I'm not going to look for

that episode. So I need Flip to just do

the drop for me so I can put the cool

effect on it. But we're going to do do

you want What do you want me to say?

We'll talk off air. I'mma give

[clears throat] you the drop. We going

to do the drop. I'mma record the drop.

The people have been writing about that.

I thought it was something light, but

they

>> No, it's not light. It's very important

to the people and myself. It's it's not

nothing to sleep on. It's been long

enough. No, it's no, it's been long

enough. I can't wait. I I appreciate

that. Yeah, no. For too long. I'm

talking, bro. Word. Yeah, I was talking

to you.

No, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, it's too

too long and too important to this

broadcast. We not we not doing that. We

not playing like that. Uh what episode

is this? 914.

>> Welcome to episode 914 of the Joe Budden

podcast brought to you by fueled by

powered by sponsored by PrizePicks.

PrizePicks gang, you

I am your humble, gracious, extremely

happy to be here host Joe Budden here

with a few very amazing people to my

right. Queens get the money, you know

the vibes. Queens Flip in the building.

How you doing, man?

>> I'm good. I love y'all. I'm happy to be

here. Let's get to work, baby. Happy to

have you. Next to him, Philly's finest,

our good brother Dr. Dark Lo Monte Hill

is in the building. Mark, how you doing?

Great great great great great. Good,

absolutely love that. Next to him, Mr.

Cream of Wheat himself.

>> [laughter]

>> MR. 1,000 DOORS.

MR. 1,000 DOORS AND UP, OUR GOOD brother

Malcolm Sex [laughter] Ish is in the

building. Ish, how you doing, man? Good,

sir. Good good. I couldn't be better.

Next to him, the freeziest of them all,

you know the vibes. Big Freeze Ice is in

the building. Ice, how you doing, man?

Great great. Glad to be here. Let's

ready to get to it.

>> Good, absolutely love that. Next to him

>> [groaning]

[laughter]

>> Elmira's finest, Big Parks is in the

building. White Pole is in the building.

Black Corey is here. Erickson is here.

Tanner and Savon are here by remote.

Last but certainly not least, each and

every one of you guys out there are

here. Gang gang. Now

who do I have to rob to get in this

Jay-Z concert? Very good question cuz

I'm getting tickets, but I don't know

how. I'm not calling Fat Joe.

I'm not calling Lenny S.

Bleek Guru, help us out. Guru

I don't know how it's going to happen.

I'm not waiting in any queue.

And uh

hopefully some of the feelers I put out

there will respond and and and get me uh

situated.

>> this 15-minute block of us begging has

been uh Yeah. Yeah. So we'll get to

begging a little bit more though.

[laughter]

I'm going to call him back a little bit

more. Yeah, for sure. Cuz I already

looked on the on the the resale sites.

I'll beg a little bit more.

How much I'm looking at right now? I saw

over 12 12 something. Is that 12,000? Is

that the floor joint? The little the

little

the step the The riser. The riser the

riser With the actual field floor, I'm

looking at four grand, five grand per

ticket. Yeah. Oh. And that's in the back

of the floor. That's not even

That's the back of the floor though.

That ain't

up front.

>> Ain't it the side [ __ ] You know, so so

something like that. Little 7,500.

That's Exactly, you rich.

I think it sound like you should just

flex and get the whole crew tickets and

awesome. I won't be doing that.

>> [laughter]

>> I won't be doing that.

Sorry sorry sorry about that one. But if

we in there meet up with you you saying?

I didn't say that. Neither. [laughter]

Don't meet up with me. If we in there

just enjoy the show. Enjoy the

[ __ ] if I paid $5,000 I don't want to

see Joe Budden.

[ __ ] y'all [ __ ] is crazy. I ain't

meeting up with nobody. I did one of you

[ __ ] I did I don't know nobody. I

don't know you [ __ ] I don't know

nobody. If I had to pay $5,000 for

tickets

I look like I'm letting y'all know I'm

getting in there by hook or by crook.

I

see they going to be the legal legit way

or it's going to be Mark deep infamous.

Yeah, how you doing?

Yeah, old school CNN war report, but I'm

going to be in there. I'm going to just

find a building over there somewhere and

sit on the roof.

Yo.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh, that would be fine. Let me ask y'all

a question. If they stream this

and it's and it's a reasonable fee, 50

100 dollars, whatever to watch the

Would y'all still Would y'all Would that

make you less inclined to go? No, but I

would be okay with that as a last

resort. Yeah, it would be fine. It's a

feeling that you get when you in the

concert, certain ones. Yeah. Especially

Hov. You can't match You know what else

is a good feeling? Keeping 10,000

dollars in your pocket.

Oh no, dog. If it's 10 grand, I won't be

in I won't be Yeah, I'm not I'm not

My [ __ ] Well, it'll be about

It'll be expensive. It's going to be

It's going to be a lot. I'm not paying

10 grand for two tickets, B. to nobody.

I'll pay 15 grand for one ticket. I'm

not doing that either. It could be to

the to to Jesus coming back. I'mma miss

that one.

>> Well, you Yeah, and if you pay five you

going to be sitting close to Jesus cuz

if you going to be at the top of the

stadium. [laughter]

And that's I want people to pay for

YEAH EXACTLY.

>> [laughter]

>> HEY MOSES, THAT'S YOU?

WORD, I'M GOOD. YEAH, NO.

Who'd you call Mark? You call somebody

from Roc Nation? Like how did you You

look rather comfortable during the time

>> looked he looked he looked confident. Um

I got people in places.

My man got some tickets. He paid

Dash. Dash got tickets. He called me. He

he only paid $750 or $1,000. He said he

downloads them. Pause.

Yeah, Dash probably waited in that queue

after 2 million people did.

He should resell He should resell them.

He could resell Yeah.

Oh, the discipline it took not to text

somebody this morning.

>> [laughter]

>> It did take a lot of discipline. Why

don't you just go to like one of second

market sites and just buy them You call

that discipline?

Yeah, on my part, yeah. Is that ego?

Seriously, is that ego? Is that ego?

It's not discipline. ZEO, you took the

words out of my mouth. It's ego. I don't

think it's ego. Why?

Come on, Joe.

>> do that this morning, why is that ego?

You have relationships with people

>> saying I'm against doing it. I think

Cool. I was I was doing it today.

I was talking about that. I was saying

something like there's a way to do it.

I've got you. I'm not saying I'm above

doing it or I'm not going to do it.

>> Soon as tickets go on sale, you want to

phone call a [ __ ]

That look a little crazy.

>> No, I'm just not the way that that

should be done.

>> First day is crazy. That's not what I

was talking about. I was saying ego is

cuz you could just afford to buy the

tickets online. Do you not want to buy

them online as a because you got so much

influence like I'm not paying ticket.

I'm going to get somebody

>> not that. Even if I text somebody, I'm

texting somebody to give me the point

person.

The person that has the reserve

The reserve joints. I'm buying mine.

Yeah, I'm not looking for no freebie.

I'm buying them. Where you get that

from? Like you you one of the only that

I see that that that does that. I've

I've watched plenty of events where you

say you'll give me the point person I'll

pay tickets for

me and my peoples. I've heard you do

heard you do that. I paid for tickets

too. I don't give a [ __ ]

>> No, I'm not I'm I'm saying I'm just

talking about him him in his position.

He could just

get it for free. But he chooses I could

get a lot of tickets for free and I just

I prefer to buy it. I don't want to have

It's a waste of a favor, first of all.

Yes. Like if it's not going to kill me

to buy tickets if they're reasonable to

buy. Got it. This is the one to call in

though.

If I can't find them to buy, yeah. This

is the favor to call in. Yeah, I'm not

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Some

[ __ ] just some use that favor. Yeah,

I'm cool. I don't It don't be a favor.

Yo fam.

What's reasonable? Reasonable is

relative. It is. And dope unintended, I

doubt it.

>> [laughter]

>> You crazy? Yeah, I'm not paying a

thousand What? A thousand? No.

That's what you call a favor. 700

You pay [laughter] face You pay face

value. Yeah, I might even pay a little

over face. I might pay double face. I'm

not going to be paying no 10 grand for

them tickets. I'm not paying Super Bowl

prices for a concert, my [ __ ]

Well, me and Mark will tell y'all all

about it.

>> [laughter]

>> I'll lift you up. I'll FaceTime one of

y'all too. Like what's what's y'all

favorite joint? Excuse me, miss.

>> [laughter]

>> WHEN EXCUSE ME, MISS COME ON, I'LL

FaceTime and

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah, I'm not above that My [ __ ] are

stupid yo.

Yo, Gus, what's going to happen?

The next

uh second day, the whole concert going

to be on YouTube and I'm going to be

$10,000 richer and I'll take that.

All right.

Okay. I want to see some good quality.

Oh, yeah, I'm I'm here for a good time.

got cameras now, B. Yeah. Can't take

that 10K with me, y'all. And the energy

in the room is worth it. Life is about

memories and moments. Not worth 10

grand, Mark. I'm with you on that.

>> [laughter]

>> The Roots Picnic, y'all y'all might want

to change your

>> [laughter]

>> Okay, so we got the huge Jay-Z GQ

interview. Who here still believes that

we are not getting a Jay-Z project this

year? Oh, I could have that interview

made me feel like he's not there yet.

Yeah, he's not there. Yeah.

I think he's

he's been working on music and he ain't

found nothing he like. I don't think we

getting a project. Like I told Joe.

I'm like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

But I still do not Nothing in that

interview made me think there's an album

coming. I'm not going to lie. I was I

was thinking the album was coming

through 25 minutes of the interview, but

when he got to like, I'm not really sure

how I want to sound in 2026 or whatever

he was saying, I was like, oh yeah, he's

not he's not there yet. Yeah. Unless

y'all just think he's lying. I I said I

didn't think the album was coming and

the interview just confirmed

Oh, you think he's lying? He human.

I know you call him Hov, he still human,

my [ __ ] That [ __ ] got music coming,

bro. I just don't think it's anytime

soon. I'm I'm not saying he's never

making an album. I don't think it's

coming. They asked him about why he

didn't feature on the Clipse album and

he was like, well, I think my first

words need to come from me.

That to me confirmed something is coming

at some point.

>> For sure. But he's all Like I said

before, he does that in a verse.

He do that. When he feeling something or

he got some [ __ ] to get off his chest,

he'll go do But when you say it's going

to come from me, that takes it away from

a feature [clears throat] verse. I'm not

saying a feature verse. Like even Like

he did when he had his opinion about how

everybody was talking about Tidal. He

did that as a freestyle on the stage at

at I think it was the B-Side show.

Like he can get his point off in a verse

without it being an album.

Yeah, I don't

Nothing says album. That's all I'm

saying.

>> he got a lot to say and I don't think a

verse is going to cover everything that

he has to say over the last what? When

was 4:44 came out?

2016

>> [laughter]

>> years ago. Yeah, verses since then.

A few. He had an album since then. He

did it He did the Carters. He did

JAY-Z like Yeah, then stop.

No, I'm just You so disrespectful, man.

>> [laughter]

>> I used to

disrespectful.

But so so I'm thinking still nothing's

coming out this year. I think maybe

fourth quarter. But I don't I don't

think it I don't think an album is being

timed with the concerts was sort of the

point. Like I don't think like these

these concerts is coming out and you're

going to see a Jay-Z album coming out

that time. I could be wrong. Like I

said, I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, I would

love to be wrong. Can't wait. All right.

So Hov sat with Frazier for GQ and did

an interview that all these clips

released on the day we're recording.

Somebody up there loves us.

Somebody up there loves us. They asked

him about a bunch his name being dragged

through the mud for the last year. They

asked him about the battle which seems

to have people in a in a tidbit in a

frenzy about it. Super Bowl, album

plans. A lot was covered. And I I do

want to shout out Frazier Thorpe from

GQ. He absolutely bodied this interview.

Really good questions, had

insightful questions, had quotes from

lyrics just off the cuff. It seems like

well researched. He He bodied that. You

know, Frazier's job. Shout out to

Frazier. Uh here we go. Here's a clip

and I'm asking about the Kendrick and

Drake beef. We love the excitement and I

love the the

the sparring and the music you get.

But in this day and age

it's so much negative stuff that comes

with it, they almost wish it didn't

happen. Really? Yeah, because it's it's

not it's it's not it's almost like it's

a final thing. Now

people that like Kendrick hate Drake.

Yeah. No matter what he makes. No matter

what he says. And it goes for too. It's

like attack on his character and his

thing and his And it's like I don't know

if I love that. Yeah. I don't know if

it's helpful to our growth.

Where the fallout lands. Mhm. Especially

on like, you know, on social media which

takes place every day.

The stan armies fighting. Yeah, and it's

like it's too far.

It's like bringing people kids in it.

And it's like

I don't I don't like that. You know,

maybe I've grown in the space that

probably you know, I sound like the old

guy wagging a finger.

I think we can

achieve the same thing as far as like

sparring with music

with collaborations more so than

breaking the whole thing apart. Yeah. It

could stand it before because there was

no social media and there was no thing

and you know, you had the battle it was

fun and then you moved on. Right. Right

now, I don't know if I could stand it

with the technology that we have. Cuz it

takes up so much oxygen.

>> up so much oxygen. Yeah. And now it's

just like every day they're just trying

to play it out. Not not just talking

about it.

They're like trying to take it out.

It's like trying to

you know, wreck this guy's marriage or

this guy's relationship with his child

and it's like

I don't know, man. I don't I don't know

if I don't know if it's worth it at this

at this point.

>> Yeah. I don't know.

It's interesting. Again, I love the idea

that we got so much music in such a

short period of time. Great music. Just

everything around it was just like

man, it's it's like taking us a

a couple steps back. Yeah. And we we we

just grown so much that I don't know if

I guess I'm going to say I don't know if

battling needs to be part of it.

>> Oh my god, Shawn Carter. Yeah.

I'm glad he recognizes it.

But he

No. I'm glad that he recognizes it.

Yeah, but he

he don't [laughter] care. No, he don't

care.

This was

I'm off this. Yeah, I didn't love this

take especially like Why not? Couldn't

disagree more.

>> outside when Nas and Hov was a thing. It

was divisive.

But super ugly bringing kids into IT

LIKE

IT DIDN'T COME WITH with the [ __ ] that

happened between Kendrick and Drake.

It's not even close.

Social media amplified it. I dropped

water in the food. bro. I agree. I

disagree. I told you. You got you got

one man that's being labeled as a

certain thing forever and social media

just amplified it. Back in those days it

wasn't

What? Dre Day? What? That's why I get

you fat.

What? What Jay said asked Nas to

Your girl That's that's something that

happens in our community all the time.

That's nothing No, what I'm saying is

Snoop and Dre Snoop and Dre was

literally calling people pedophiles.

Yeah, they were. I don't remember that.

I don't remember that. I I wasn't around

for that.

I just think that the to his point I

think that the social media thing takes

it to a different stratosphere that we

didn't have back then. I remember

literally me and my man going outside of

work when they was teasing the yo we got

a new Jay-Z we got it was a thing it was

it was a regional thing it wasn't an

international thing. You get what I'm

saying it's it's I think it's I think

it's a drop in the bucket. So you say

hip hop out grew it.

Cuz that's what that's the only thing

that Jay-Z is hip hop grew to an

international level. No social media is

now putting this [ __ ] in front of our

faces every single day. It did but it

did but it didn't cuz in the real world

Drake still plays and no one looks at it

funny when you play Drake.

Yo listen to this

this this discourse only lives on the

internet. Yeah but that's the internet

is our lives.

>> It's not. No it's not. It's not real

life.

You can say that theoretically today's

society the internet plays a huge part

in blogs wake up and check their phone

before they say their prayers. Y'all can

say whatever the [ __ ] y'all want to say

the internet is a lot of people's lives

especially the younger generation. Okay

if Drake was to go on a arena run this

summer he can and will this this this is

stopping absolutely nothing it is

discourse on the internet and that is

different from discourse in the real

life. Somebody shot at this man's house

where his family lives you can't say

that the internet is not playing a huge

part in what

Fam that has nothing to do with the

internet though that's been happening

BEFORE THAT. THAT'S NOT TRUE. Has that

so has that been happening in rap beefs

before that have been getting shot at

the house or shot up in prior to the

internet prior to social media like That

was beefing NOT BY FANS THAT DON'T KNOW

THE other that they shooting at.

John Lennon got killed by a fan. So did

Selena. Yeah fans fans fans

Strangely enough it's always been there.

I agree that the internet we can't act

like the internet is this place is

disconnected from our life the internet

a lot of our lives a lot of our lives

are lived on the internet but at the

same time I do think that

we can't reduce everything to how people

are talking about something on the

internet. I think that for me is the

point I agree with you like the internet

is important but at the same time like

What Tyler said about the internet?

Turn your phone off. Turn your phone

off.

There's a whole world where Drake is

like you can look on the internet and

think the world is one way and then you

can go outside and go to a club or party

a thing and it's just different.

>> It's not that. It's not that that's all

of that that's what I'm saying. But

that's easier said by the that's not

affected by the

I'm with you but Cuz I watch everybody

besides you I watch people and you but

people up here when things are being

said on the internet we have addressed

it you are one of them I'm one of them

so and we are the ones that affect it so

the person that's affected whatever mind

tricks that is played is easy to say

over here like this is just the internet

no it's not. I agree with that I'm just

saying that's not the only story we

should be telling like

in addition to that like like I get

frustrated with [ __ ] people say on the

internet but there's a time I JUST GO

OUTSIDE AND I REALIZE PEOPLE YOU KNOW

DON'T THINK THAT. So look and and you

could get frustrated and no disrespect

to you but in the social scheme of

things you and Drake are light years

apart.

>> He's the president and I'm a voter. Not

even it's bigger than that so now when

this man is

>> [laughter]

>> I don't know Drake I'm just saying this

is my main source so what I'm saying

he's infinitely more so so now when he

walks outside when he walks outside you

don't know what the the effects that

this [ __ ] is having on somebody's mental

health. Drake we not even talk about

Drake and Kendrick I'm just talking

about the magnitude of the internet and

how it could play on somebody's real

life we can't minimalize that. So so

for me just to take it back to the whole

point to connect it

um

And I'm not defending Drake cuz I think

what Drake did was wrong too. And when

we all are done I'd like to talk on this

topic.

wife into it you brought him hitting his

wife all of that [ __ ] into it now this

could potentially lose deals getting

looked at as a woman beater I think all

of this [ __ ] is stupid but the internet

magnifies it in a way that we never had

before. I I I think that just on a whole

thing

um

I think one as you get older in a

culture or in society you start to look

at it different. Yes. And you start to

get a little nostalgic and you start to

think about the impact of

that you did. It's it's hard and I think

there has to be a little more self

critique there like if he says look I

made Super Ugly that [ __ ] went too far I

saw what that I saw how that played out

and so now it's that times a hundred

because of the internet I kind of get

that point.

>> said though he said yo I regret it.

I get that he said that then he

regretted it but what I'm saying is is

that to but he still found he still

doesn't regret the battle he just

regrets going too far. To me the answer

to this is not to say we don't need

battles in hip hop cuz the battle to me

is an essential part of hip hop the

competitive nature of it you know we

can't all just get on a track and kill a

beat together and see who's better some

of that [ __ ] is about the adversarial

nature of it that is what hip hop is

about that's the essence of hip hop

whether whether it's b boying whether

it's

graffiti or rap. Cuz he said all the

mother parts are not in hip hop no more.

He said beat break dancing was a part of

it it's not here anymore

he said graffiti he named a couple

street artists but he was like it's not

really a mainstream a part of hip hop

like that anymore the DJ used to be the

DJ and then the rapper not here no more

you don't know these DJs.

>> [laughter]

>> But it it it it Yeah I disagreed with

all of that. But the

point though we were just talking. Yeah.

I don't I don't think so if he's looking

at it from this point of view where

It sounds like we it's like let's get

rid of the real essence of hip hop and

just make it a commercial music thing I

I don't I don't like how that feels as

somebody who grew up as a hip hop head

like I think when money comes into it

sometimes it's out of your control

unfortunately I think that when the big

brands start taking it it's like

basketball like now [ __ ] not

competitive in basketball no more

because there's so much money in it

they're not playing for pride or ego

Michael Jordan's playing 82 games like

yo my arm got to be falling off for me

not to be competitive and get on the

court and bust your ass now these kids

could be like yo my toe hurt I ain't

playing.

>> We also just saw a fairly um

civil competitive

rap beef between

fairly mainstream artists and Joey

Bada$$ and Ra Von and them last year it

was a uh melee and granted they're not

Hov and Kendrick but it was still just

competitive hip hop that didn't involve

no mudslinging no kids no babies no

nothing so to dismiss battling as a part

of hip hop because that ruined it I

think is No I didn't say that. No Hov

did Hov did. No but the thing is where

do we stop the line like what the what

the Kids and wives like you said. Yeah

with Joey Bada$$ and them they weren't

taking personal shots at each other's

families and potentially losing

deals you know what I'm saying like

That's what we're saying it's like don't

get rid don't throw the baby out with

the bathwater listen

like like Mos said in Black on Both

Sides like we act like hip hop is a

giant and he's away from us and we are

hip hop we can say let's have the

battles but let's make some rules.

>> that's [snorts] that's all I'm saying I

ain't get rid of the battle though. And

that that only that only work

like when these two that really don't

like each other a lot of times that rule

[ __ ] go out the window. And that's

always been the case I just And that's

what happened that's the difference

between the Joey Bada$$ and them battle

which was hey we just sparring basically

and these two where I don't like you.

And I've been waiting for you so now I

want to end you.

That's what I'm saying I'm listening to

y'all talk and it's like do we realize

what this [ __ ] has evolved into do we

realize how many lives are being lost

based on like we're just speaking

hip hop has evolved

the beef has evolved everything evolves

if that was the case [ __ ] the break

dancers wouldn't have to go get another

job certain DJs wouldn't have to have a

nine to five everything would have when

things get phased out that's what

happens he's just keeping up with the

times and and speaking as a eldersman in

the culture yo hey this is what this is

this is what's happening and [ __ ] like

that we could want to hold on to the

past dreams all the time but it's not

that anymore it's not

period you can't go out there and tell

them over there in Brooklyn or or

Chicago and then yo don't do this don't

do that they're not listening to

anything and that's what is consumed

that's what we consume or not us but the

kids consume that's what gets the

numbers and him being who he is he's not

going to sit there and cosign that's why

I understand what he's saying.

>> I agree me too.

My fault.

It's fine you got a passion about it.

But I agree with like some of

we was all over the place but Jay-Z has

transcended hip hop. You don't get to

where he is without transcending so I do

appreciate this level of

uh maturity from him.

I appreciate his unique point of view

that only he can kind of give from his

viewpoint.

um

But when you transcend hip hop you got

to be aware that sometimes like you said

some of the stuff you looking at

you're not just speaking about culture.

Like so when he says that

tagging is out of is no longer in hip

hop I vehemently disagree and don't

really understand that from him as an as

an art collector. uh knowing the story

of Basquiat knowing the story of just

hearing Nas writers just I I can't I

can't accept that from Jay-Z that's some

interview. Yeah. One

when I went to the restaurant that I

spoke about in Staten Island ShauNee's

house before I left she said yo

can you please can you please tag this

wall

in some of the famous venues that we've

been to it's a thing to tag the wall in

jail we tag tagging up is still a it's a

cultural

thing it's a culture thing when Common

is on Jennifer Hudson and ends it with

break dancing.

Like we not really talking about

uh

uh

the hip hop mainstream mainstream hip

hop uh

record label hip hop we that's a culture

conversation and Jay-Z is a part of

culture so I I can't I can see how you'd

be separated from it being a

multi-billionaire

60 year old like and that's cool like

I'm not mad at it but I think it was a

little dismissive of these elements that

are still active.

Yeah hip hop started hip hop started on

Sedgwick at a

house party at a party so every hood uh

could come together and get to the you

can't tell me that you go to a party

with one of the playlist DJs and then go

to a party with a real DJ and tell me

tell me about the time that you had.

That part. Yeah. You can't there's

nothing that Jay-Z can tell me that says

that that's not a cultural thing.

>> It's still important. Got it. I got what

you saying. [clears throat] I think his

talking points are important, but

they're not addressing like

>> mean I think he mean mainstream. Like

you don't see little kids breakdancing

no more. Like you it's tagging going on,

but not from a wide view. You know what

I'm saying? Like It might not be

breakdancing, but look how important

dancing on Tik Tok is still. Hip hop hip

hop dance.

>> Hip hop dance.

>> dance. No, dancing period. Dancing

period. And when Kid 'n Play and all

that was out, my older brothers they was

trying to come up with dances. All of

them that could fight, they would go to

school and have dance battles, you know,

all of that [ __ ] I'd be on trying to

dancing. Look at where what dancing was

and what it meant for some people versus

what it is today and what it what it

means today to these kids and these apps

and these streamers, like

>> We've seen the last 10 years of people

trying to get a record hot by coming up

with some sort of dance on Tik Tok. And

we've successfully in a lot of cases, so

>> Dancing kind of had a resurgence though,

cuz it did go away for a minute. Every

they they stopped dancing for a while.

I guess with Tik Tok It's been a while

that it's been back. Like you said about

10 years, it's it's come back. It has.

And also just thinking globally

>> And there's a cultural relevance to

dancing from hundreds of years

>> It is but not even hip hop dance that

like hip hop dance is a genre when they

start teaching dance class. You know you

got the waltz, the this That's the T F S

T L right there. I just think it's a

huge it's a huge mistake to say because

something is not mainstream or

commercialized that it fails to exist.

>> Right. I agree. But he said it's it's

it's fake. He didn't say fails to exist

though. He's saying it like it's

>> it's dead. He said they are no longer

there. Those elements are no longer part

of hip hop. That's not true.

>> true. It's not part of mainstream hip

hop.

And and that's a very parochial view

too, like if you look globally

people are still b-boying. People still

are I mean people are still graffiting.

I go I travel all around the world I see

people still still tagging walls. Like

it it it's right. It's it's just

there's just too much hip hop culture

that's still tied to the essence to say

that to me. I get it. I agree. Got it.

So like you go to Asia dance in Asia hip

hop dance in Asia is huge. They still

they still up rocking in in

>> No, it's huge though. And one thing one

thing he did say which was kind of

contradictory to his point was

it's an Olympic sport now.

Right.

I get what you were saying that it's

mainstream it's it's they they got it so

it's dead, but nah. I mean it went from

that to you can get a gold medal for

this [ __ ] now. That's crazy. Also when

it come to battling like like some of

Mark said, man, we we in a this is a

very

competitive

genre

filled with a lot of ego and a lot of

people that

didn't go to therapy and learn the best

way to express themselves to one

another.

So you're going to have

feuds. You're going to have run-ins.

You're going to have battle, but to only

highlight the negative that come from

battle

means that we skipping some of the

positives that come from battle. And

again, for Jay-Z to be the one saying

it, you to me are the beacon of some of

the positive that come from battle. You

and Nas, the two that got it on one of

the best battles ever are

two

pillars in business.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

And now Y'all have performed together,

y'all have did songs together, y'all

answered the the the fans' request uh

wanting wanting to see all that [ __ ]

but y'all matured. Y'all matured. Like I

think that should be a part of hip hop

story too. One of my favorite things

about me talking to Banks or any of that

I ever beefed with Game, any of them is

the fact that we could talk. Right.

>> talk. Yo, we didn't see eye to eye. Some

of we was in clubs and fought, we and

got heated, we did the diss tracks, but

now as you grow up like hip hop is 50

years old. We should be allowed to grow

up. I I did take that away from what he

was saying.

>> It's also contradictory in the fact that

he was talking about Kendrick's huge

year in the Super Bowl and all that

and a lot of that was off of the battle.

Like so

There's a lot of contradiction. I think

you know what

>> I'm just saying you should be allowed to

beef with people

make amends with people

have hindsight, look at where you maybe

made some mistakes, hold yourself

accountable. For a lot of us hip hop

people hip hop we we all didn't go we

were not all well schooled. We we didn't

all come from the two parent households,

so some of these some of these things

like

uh

accountability and yada yada we had to

learn from

from hip hop.

>> From trial. Another thing Which is hold

up, man, let me go. That's another thing

that that that I had a problem with

with his Kendrick and Drake stuff. Cuz

yeah, fan bases take it too far. They

do. I agree with that.

>> Yeah, you would hope that people don't

bring up

kids and want to destroy your personal

life.

All of that's all of that's fine. Uh

but on the accountability tip

if you go out there and beg a to start

with you

if you go out there and insist that we

have this dance because we've been the

best for too long just me and you for 10

years

then part of that you got to be willing

to take all that comes with.

Mhm. That's part of battle.

>> [laughter]

>> Okay. Yeah.

Part of battle is is risk assessment.

Especially if you think you was going to

get a one up and now in the middle of

the fight you realize stronger than you

thought. All of that is part of the

tango. I don't want to be in a hip hop

where that tango don't get to exist. Now

all of these talking points I agree with

everything he said if we if if we switch

the conversation to drill.

Mhm.

Yeah. Cuz then

it's not worth it to me. But that's

where it gets tricky.

>> It's not it's not it's not worth but we

but but he didn't. He wasn't having a

drill conversation. He wasn't talking

about smoking on rolling up such and

such digging up people's graves. And we

what he wasn't talking about all of

that. When when hip hop was getting

scary evil

it wasn't all of all battles need to

stop.

Agreed. It wasn't all of that. So now

when two get together and seemingly to

my knowledge nobody got hurt. Even when

it's talked about Drake's house getting

shot up, I can't attribute that to

Kendrick versus Drake. All I get from

that is the two best

doing their best in battle and there was

a victor.

And yes, social media is mean.

But the block used to be mean. School

used to be mean.

used to be mean.

Yeah.

Sorry. Yeah.

>> Y'all go ahead. I just don't want to

live in a hip hop where you can't we

can't battle somebody.

Where you go in the club and you can't

say to yo your sneakers is wack. Like

hip hop we talking about.

>> You could get shot though. I'm about to

say you could get killed for that [ __ ]

today.

So now you have to adjust. You got to

adjust my Like it's it's but I just

attribute

>> Act accordingly. I just attribute the

whole Jay-Z thing is to like the the the

the the

the drug dealer dude that spent 40 50

years in prison.

Right? And he got all of this wisdom

from some mistakes that he made, some

good some bad, and he just put it all in

compiled all the data. That's how I took

it. I took it like this the old head

that spent

40 years in jail. He had life. He gave

his time back. He came home. And now I'm

trying to teach you or or or put you

guys on a different path. That's what I

attributed it to. I didn't really look

at it like he was on hip hop. I just

looked at it like he had information I

don't think he was saying it's a bad

word. I don't think it's a bad word, but

I'm just saying I just looked at it like

he had more information

and and he was the wise old owl trying

to guide the people. That's how that's

what I took it. [ __ ] Jay-Z done shot at

in Harlem World

He did. Jay-Z done shot at you knew

didn't I I it's a long list of them. Me.

>> [laughter]

>> Jay-Z when the did Jay-Z put the guns

down?

He told them to button up. Ordinary

Joe's. There was quite a few Jay-Z

shots.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh, like a like a nat like a nat was

bothering him, right?

I'll be back for you. I mean This is

another thing in hip hop we need to

start appreciating and and I I see it

starting to happen probably over the

last maybe three four years, it's

maturity.

Cuz that's all this is. True. And it

what happens hip hop was always young.

Nobody really wanted to see hip hop get

old. Now like you said yo hip hop is 50.

There's a lot of 50 year olds in hip hop

70 year olds. But I'm just saying 50

plus. Now you see them giving the other

side of the game. We need to appreciate

people maturing out of the [ __ ] that

might have been dope 20 30 years ago.

But again it's personal thing that you

chose Kendrick for the Super Bowl. It's

like oh man, he's choosing a side and

he's putting and he's not

>> Like I don't have What do what I have to

do with that? I chose the guy that was

having a monster year.

I think it was the right choice.

It wasn't in in some sort of alliance to

a battle. I don't know. Yeah. What I

care about them two guys battling? Like

they'll take up doing me. Word. Have at

it. Have fun.

Um

it's almost like they not not just me,

by the way. They drag everybody in it

like everyone's part of this conspiracy

to

um undermine um um Drake, I guess, but

like

What the [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> This might be my favorite part of the

whole thing.

I'm [ __ ] Jay-Z.

With due respect to him, [ __ ] Hov.

[ __ ] Hov. With due respectfully.

Word. Like, for what? For to what end?

Yeah, [laughter] the old dude never

changes his word. Yeah. And I think they

haven't liked you Joe for a long time.

Before you had anything to do with it.

>> Yeah, for a while. I think this has been

brewing. Just like me and Nas was

brewing. Yep.

>> It it didn't it didn't happen at the

Summer Jam. That happened at Latin TV

sets, the minimum, whatever. It was it

was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to

that point.

>> Memphis Bleek orders at the Memphis

Bleek slugs in your head, right? It was

slugs in your head. It was it was a

bunch of like little things that led up

to that point. And then when it

happened, it happened I actually regret

that cuz I really like Nas. He's a

really [clears throat] nice guy.

[laughter]

But also to your point, like I remember

I was like 10 or 11 when that happened.

I was like I was on your side.

>> Well, I was on your side.

>> I get clearly. But

>> [laughter]

>> my my my position was I can't go out and

buy Stillmatic or ask my parents to buy

Stillmatic. Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to

borrow

>> All right, all right. Yeah.

Uh

That was hilarious.

>> It was.

>> It was. Charisma, yo.

It's just

>> I just like him going

addressing a lot of the [ __ ] He just

the capitalism [ __ ] He addressed the uh

the all the [ __ ] that's been said about

Jay-Z. Like he's Jay-Z. Yeah. Like a lot

of the [ __ ] you put on Hov is stupid. I

think we've said that up here, but we're

Hovengers. So I mean we're going to say

that.

Yeah.

I love it's just a simple enough line.

I'm Jay-Z. Jay-Z.

>> [laughter]

>> [ __ ] Hov. [ __ ] Hov. Respectfully.

Respectfully. Hov. I'm going to destroy

you. That is a very Jay-Z thing to say.

Yeah.

I think it's also accurate. Yeah.

And what a just polite way to sun

everybody. Yeah. Hov is going to do is

come out and sun everybody and you're

not going to realize it two years later.

Or not. I'm Hov. Why am

what do I have to do with this who and

Annie? Right.

I'm picking the highest bidder. Things

to do than worry about these two men.

And then the respectfully is what does

it. Oh, that's not the respectfully. You

you.

>> [laughter]

>> What? What? [ __ ] Hov. You got to call

that cool with me.

>> [laughter]

>> Didn't you been doing this his whole

career just [ __ ] on people? I love

that. Never change, buddy. Absolutely

never change. That was a great

interview. It was a great interview. On

this interview, I wanted to ask y'all

what y'all thought on about the J. Cole

remarks.

What were they? What were they? What did

he say? What did he say? What did he

say? They He asked them um you know,

where where did he stand with Cole

today?

Let's go Frazier.

You got the clip? Oh, I don't have the

clip. No, I was I have the script

transcript up here. But I'm looking for

it. So you you keep going. Well, he

asked him where where he stood with Cole

and he was like

obviously

there there's some behind the scene

stuff.

And

he didn't want to hold he wasn't holding

Cole back. He wanted him to go ahead go

ahead and find his own way.

I will give you the tools, but you do it

on your own.

I'm listening to that like

we got some issues behind the scenes.

And I just wanted to know if anybody

else picked up on it. What do y'all

y'all thought to say? I got the

You got it? Yeah. You want the clip or

you want to just verbatim?

He said I was

Mark. He said I was giving him a chance

to take his talent and show it

to the most people possible, but his

way. I didn't say, "Here's this record

from Stargate and you're putting it

out." Like I forced Bleek to make

Memphis Bleek is. Bleek is my little

brother. He has to listen to me. But for

J. Cole, he has to find his own

direction and I'm going to give him the

tools. Stargate made humongous records

with Rihanna, Wiz Khalifa, Black and

Yellow. Biggest songs in the world. You

don't want to go sit with them, fine. I

don't have any negative feelings for

him. I'm actually super proud of him and

what he's done. It's Oh, okay.

Yeah, it was it was something more cuz

they asked him where you stand today.

But

I took that as

I tried to Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> You ain't want to listen.

You ain't listen.

I tried to what? I tried to guide you

this way.

You didn't want to listen.

Go figure it out. Oh, you did.

And then we also look at But also like

if you had listened, you might have been

somewhere else, but I'm glad but if I'm

glad you are where you are. You were

where you wanted to be on your own. And

you know, again I look up all Cole's

albums, everything. All is him now.

So he obviously went back and bought

everything.

I could see some little issues in there.

I I I didn't take it as issues from Hov.

I took it as, "Hey man, I tried to steer

you one way. You want to do it your way

and God bless him.

Good luck." That's how it happened.

That's how I took it. Cole may feel a

different type of way, but that's how I

took it. Yeah, I chalk I chalk it up. I

don't think we're ever going to find out

there. Yeah. Hopefully not. Two clan and

no. You speak for yourself.

I want to know I want to know that one.

I want to know what's going on. Are you

crazy? It's A money ain't as mature as

you, my G. I'm mature. I said I gave my

opinion. You gave your opinion. That's

fine. I'm not mad at your opinion. I'm

mature. I'm just You know what's funny

about you is that you paint yourself

like that, but in real life you you done

heard all the tea.

>> [laughter]

>> He actually knows all the tea. That's

why you find In real life you know all

the tea. You're the tea spot. You're the

Chinese spot. If tea come my way, I'm

not outside like rejecting it. Yeah, you

absorbing it. You like if somebody tell

me some [ __ ] they tell me some [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> You don't be like, "Yo, yo man, get off

my phone, man. I don't want to hear that

[ __ ] man. I don't want to hear that."

Yeah, but then he come on here like,

"Nah, yo. That's unfortunately if we

could just stop the violence."

Joe

>> [laughter]

>> of maturity, my

grow, man. I'm

I ain't Hov. I want to know this. Shut

your ass up. I want to know too, but

they're not going to tell us. Cuz they

keep dancing around. That's why I want

to know. Like if nobody say nothing,

but you just see little [ __ ] When Cole

is up here. If I just sit and focus long

enough, I can figure it out. That's what

I'm saying. Is it a situation Like I

ain't really put too much thought or

energy into this. Like I'm kind of just

performing, but if I just sit still for

two nights, I'll figure it out. Is it a

situation that you can figure out? You

feel? Is it

Is it I can definitely figure it out.

But I I don't I try not to be that

invested in people [ __ ]

Maybe it falls in my lap, then cool. But

now if I go home and I'm trying to be

Bill Nye the Science Guy with your [ __ ]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think it's

that deep. I think it's exactly how you

laid it out. I tried to push you in one

way, it didn't work out. You go do your

own thing. And Cole probably feels a way

about his back catalog being Hov still

and he done built this up his own way.

So he should I think it's that. I don't

think it's really much deeper in that.

I don't think it's anything that crazy

or I mean it is what he needed to me.

Good job. But it's not Hey, you go your

way. We tried it this way. Hey, bygones

be bygones. No love lost and we'll never

speak, be seen together, rap together,

be featured together, never anything

together for the rest of life. And I'll

appear [clears throat] closer to Pusha T

than I will this guy that I broke and

took from nothing in North Carolina to

one of the biggest rap superstars. Just

like I wanted to on the backstage DVD

when I was looking for people eating

cereal. You were not going to give me to

believe that. Nope. [laughter] Well,

Joe,

why don't we since he's doing

obviously there's a camera interview

that Cole is doing. So it's clear he's

willing to mend some fences. Why don't

we get Cole up here and ask him? Mark

Begging.

>> [laughter]

>> Mark Begging. I'm talking about you

doing it. I'm not begging nobody to come

up here and talk, Mark. Just say you

like the Civic.

That's all you got to say. There's

nothing wrong WITH FLIPPING BURGERS.

>> [laughter]

>> I THINK everybody should go where

they're comfortable speaking. That's

true. That's what I think. And and I

don't shake ass. That was for a fan

interview. Look at Mark. Mark want that

interview. Look at maturity.

What? No, I never shake ass. No, I ain't

talking about that. I'm talking about

like I think everybody should go where

they're comfortable speaking. Cuz that

maturity [ __ ] I Yo, there's some

snickering going on over there. Y'all

identifying with something I said that

was funny? What happened?

>> [laughter]

>> I said something that was funny?

We just told my [ __ ] that it was very

funny. We

I'm just telling my maturing right

before our eyes.

Other [ __ ] that go say that. I'm like,

"Nigga, why the [ __ ] you went to go sit

over there, nigga?" Not with Cam and

shout to Cam. I'm just talking about

with anybody. Clean it up. You know what

I'm saying? That's my man, so I got to

clean it up.

>> [laughter]

>> I ain't putting it on my friends, [ __ ]

Yeah.

I'm not afraid like y'all [ __ ] Well,

it was a good interview. It was.

The GQ interview was great. What you

think of the In the Desk of J. Cole

while we're here? It was cool. Yeah, it

was cool. Didn't really get a ton of

information, but I thought it was a a

good good year.

I think I was happy for her. Me too. Me

too. I thought it was I thought it was a

good interview. I I think more

interviews going to come and more stuff

is going to get unveiled.

I'm looking forward to I didn't see the

Cam one. The problem when you don't like

speak to people often, like we don't get

a Cole interview often is that when you

speak to them, we got to rehash all of

the [ __ ] that I personally have moved on

from. Like Cam was asking him good [ __ ]

Like Cam whatever you didn't like from

the Desk of Cam was getting right to it.

It's like I personally am just off of

this.

Like it wasn't new stuff. Right, right.

But you getting answers though.

Sort of kind of.

I feel like the answers that we've kind

of already gotten

from records and when he spoke on stage

and

I don't think there's anything new that

we're getting out of any of this. And I

think those are the two interviews he

needed to do. The Desk of his people and

Cam who he once promised to do an

interview. Go go go do the [ __ ]

Me too. Me too. Made me happy. I didn't

think it was going to happen. I'm I'm

real glad he did that one. That shocked

me. Yeah, and I'm glad they addressed

all the [ __ ] All right.

And as much as y'all know me, I'm Mr.

Everything a roll out and all of that

[ __ ] I love the way they teased this.

That was funny. That [ __ ] was funny.

Normally I'd be like, "Oh, this is some

I absolutely love it." I didn't think it

was real the first time I saw it. You

you said you didn't think it was real.

Like when I saw the promo of him popping

up

cuz it looked almost like fake like AI I

saw. Yeah, I thought it was AI. You

know, in there a lot of AI fakes people

fall for.

But um

I saw that it was real and I was like

that made me happy.

You [ __ ] such a jerk, man.

>> [laughter]

>> Thought about enough. My last Jay-Z

clip. Looking back on the last year, it

was hard. Really hard. I was like

heartbroken. Really? Yeah. I'm glad we

got right to that. You know, so we could

just get that out the way. Okay. Like I

was really heartbroken by like

everything that occurred.

You know, with all like you know, we in

the space now where it's just like

almost like consequence is not thought

about enough.

Cuz everything is so instant. You know

what I'm saying? Like that whole buzz be

The civil lawsuit [music] that was

dropped, dismissed. That [ __ ] took a lot

out of me. I was angry.

I haven't been that angry in a long

time.

>> [music]

>> Uncontrollable anger. Like you don't put

that on someone. Like that's a that's

the thing that you better be super sure.

It used to be like that. Like you have

to be super sure before you put those

kind of things on a person. Especially a

person like me.

Like even when we were doing worse

[clears throat] things, we were doing

bad, we had those kind of rules. There

was a line. No women, no kids.

You know, you you hear those sayings,

but those are the things that I took

from the street.

You know, morals, integrity, code. Code.

Those things I took cuz cuz we we we

lived and died by that. So it's strict

for me. Like it meant a lot to me. I

took that really hard. But and I and I

knew that we was going to walk through

that. We was going to walk through that.

Because, you know, it's First of all,

it's not true. And the truth is,

you know, at the end of the day still it

still reigns supreme. When you feeling

your feelings, how do you then bounce

back and get back to being

Jay-Z? I don't know. This we just I'm

just This is This is the first thing I'm

I'm doing. Yeah, actually. It was just